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http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2012/06/29/georgia-tailback-isaiah-crowell-jailed-on-weapons-charges/?cxntfid=blogs_uga_sports_blog

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What is wrong with the younger generation?  :dunno:

Glad he picked UGA. I guess we dodged a bullet.

No kidding. 
Makes you wonder; after the weapons issues with Aub players, how common is it for players to carry guns?  Is it the norm among thug-type players?

UGA has had a lot of discipline problems for several years now. Coach Richt has to be pulling his hair out trying to figure out how to get his guys under control. This could be his chance to make a statement to his team and punish his starting tailback severely. A slap on the wrist and he may loose this team if he has not lost them already. UGA should be dominating the east with UT and Florida down and they are not. This is looking like another year with CMR on the hot seat.

I am tried of hearing Coach Richt is a nice guy but......

Dont forget Rolando McClain.  Apparently it is quite common. 

I haven't forgotten Ro's episode, but I was thinking about current players having guns on campus.  Most every school bans weapons on campus (weird that new laws in Mississippi allow it with special permits), but the campus cops enforce it only when other laws are broken.

What's wrong with having a gun on campus?

It gives the Tyrants less control.

the Virginia Tech slayings made a lot of schools adopt no hand guns on campus.

How things have changed when a star football player feels he must "act the thug" for attention.  I guess Parade All-American, SEC All-Freshman and such were not enough street cred for him.

 ???

There WAS a no-guns-on-campus law in Mississippi, but it was recently replaced with a new law ALLOWING guns (with permits).
http://www.thedmonline.com/article/mississippi-passes-new-campus-gun-laws

This is consistent with the 'no one ever says, "Hey, let's go rob the gun show" theory'.  If a criminal or psychopath is gauranteed a target that can't fire back, it appeals to their cowardly instincts. Further, if there is a chance that he will not be the only one with a gun on campus, he'll maybe reconsider and pick a school that has a gun free environ.

All of these puffy testosterone-infused NRA platitudes are great for message boards. Who among you will go to the door of the wife of the campus cop who killed himself because he walked into a classroom and accidentally shot the kid who raised his legally permitted weapon on the lunatic who started shooting his classmates at random. People with uniforms should have guns. People without them shouldn't. Especially on a college campus.

Here's another thing. We need to completely rethink what we tell the public about what to do in these situations. If a gunman is outnumbered by people who are too close to effectively flee, folks need to be trained to throw books or backpacks or phones or whatever at the guy, give a blood curdling rebel yell (yankees will need to receive special training), and charge him. One or two folks will be hit and the party will be over for the lunatic. It makes me sick when I think about all the innocent lives that could have been saved at VT or NIU if this approach had been taken, instead of folks just waiting to be mowed down.

ATU, I see your point.  Did you know that faculty and staff at Ole Miss are trained by the campus police for such a contingency?  I sat in on a session.  Much as you suggest here, the intent is to give the shooter fewer easy targets, and stop the shooting with a backpack, chair, books, whatever...  The police also discussed the worry about identifying the shooter when others have guns with them at the scene.

Ugly to think about, and off topic, so I'll just end by saying I hope Mr Crowell is appropriately punished.

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throw books at 'em!!! #+


I am so glkad that the Japanese did not think to drop books on Pearl Harbor!!! :o

This inflamatory rhetoric does nothing to further the discussion toward useful conclusions. You had to throw in the part about the married cop killing himself. But if a citizen gunowner was engaged in a shootout with a crazed gunman, he was from that point on saving innocent lives. If a cop then injected himself into that situation, firing indiscriminately, perhaps he should kill himself for being stupid and making things worse.

The big promise for having citizens armed is first a deterent. But in a crazed gunman killing spree, the number of lives one gun in the hands of a trained, licensed citizen would save many lives. I think that was how the Ft. Hood gunman died (more about that later). If our hero gunowner is shooting he is distracting and limiting the shooting spree. Countless  lives may be saved waiting on law enforcement response times. From then on, anyone injecting themselves into the fray (cops) should make themselves known from the sirens on the streets to identifying themselves door to door,--they are trained to do so. Once law enforcement arrives, any gun permit guy would automatically stand down, unless he is engaged.

The answer is sadly the addition of more cops any place where civilians are not allowed to carry. Another helpful procedure would be for university to be more active in identifying these nuts before a classroom to classroom battle ensues. Liberals, thick on college campuses, are so concerned with hurting someones precious feelings as to demand to know what this crazy nut is doing on campus in the first place, disrupting everyone else's harmony. At VA. Tech and Ft. Hood, the warning signs about these 2 shooters couldn't have been more clear if they had been towed behind the Goodyear Blimp.

Per multiple sources, Crowell has been dismissed by Richt. I guess what Spurrier said about playing UGA early is good is right. Half the team is still suspended.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/06/29/isaiah-crowell-dismissed-georgia.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

Link to SI story.

Right.  Here's the confirmation:  
http://espn.go.com/colleges/georgia/football/story/_/id/8111289/georgia-bulldogs-isaiah-crowell-faces-felony-weapons-counts

Looks like we posted parallel stories on it at the same minute!  Great minds, eh?  ???

I guess he will end us at Jax St or with Malzahn at Arkansas St.  :dunno:

What a waste. He showed some skills as a true freshman last year.

This approach is not my idea. It was advocated by a Krav Maga instructor who was showing a group of us some gun take-aways and such. No bleeding heart liberal was he. A serious security professional, well armed and well trained.

Sorry for going hard to the hoop on this issue. I have seen too many innocent people harmed by gun violence and accidents. I'm back to sports.

There's a major problem in our society today but I don't think there is a politician alive that wants to attack it. The gun isn't the problem, it's the person that is holding it. ;)

Liberals always exaggerate the #s when it  comes to accidental deaths involving firearms. But when the numbers are broken down, these accidental deaths mostly occur in homes where the guns are illegal anyway. Crack heads leaving their guns on the coffee table while they shoot up a rock in the bedroom. Every week there is a story about a ghetto kid going to school with a gun and a baggie full of dope and cash. Enforce the laws on the books as it stands now, and enforce them to the max. People around here have always been around guns. They know how to use them.. Their children know how to use them. They know they are always loaded. Never any accidents.

And a well trained practitioner of Krav Maga, at very close range, might be successful. If he was throwing books before the badguy pointed the gun at him. A bunch of normal college students would have no chance at all. Someone hopped up* to commit mass murder, throwing books, desk... will only drive him crazier.
  And trust me, as someone who is trained as a SWAT Medic (Tac / Med) I have studied on "Active Shooter" situations a little more than most people.

I hate to say it, but Richt has already lost this team.     :o






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I respect your experience, so tell me more. What do you and your sources say folks should do in a VT situation. Is it really to hunker down and wait to be killed.

Well, if some of the students had availability to a gun, they could have stopped this VT situation, instead of waiting to be killed. It's kind of like having someone breaking into your house, but you just wait to be a victim and hide under the bed, if you have no firearm. If someone is afraid of guns and doesn't want to have one, fine, but don't penalize me because of your fear. I definitely know how to handle a firearm and when to use it. I always carry a firearm, not just for my own protection, but in case I need to help someone in major trouble.

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I forgot , somewhere between Chech's first post and here

I lost it ...

what was this thread supposed to be about again ?   :dunno:


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The bottom line is: Crowell was dismissed from the team yesterday, apparently permanently.

http://news.yahoo.com/uga-tailback-crowell-dismissed-following-arrest-210803138--spt.html

I found this article on Richt and his troubles at Georgia and thought it would be interesting to some on the forum. In reading this I get the feeling that Richts positon as HC has taken on a lot of heat as the national media starts to voiceing their opinions. I personally think that Richt needs to have at least 10 wins this year and no more discipilnary issues or it may be curtain time for him. Being his team has been projected to be in the SECCG, he might have to make that to keep his job. JMO  :dunno:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1242246-isaiah-crowell-dismissed-from-team-mark-richt-must-and-will-tighten-up

Not if you're armed. Of course, if the shooter knew that the the odds were strong that there were other armed students / admin in a room, especially not knowing which students were armed, he may pick a different place to go shoot.   The idea is to be proactive in protecting yourself and others. reactive is too late. prevention is probably the best way to be proactive.

With Richt's track record, I don't know if Crowell is gone for good. Don't be surprised if Richt doesn't have an "amen moment" and declare that Crowell has changed his ways and is back on the team. Without Crowell, the Dogs will struggle on the ground.

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CMR needs to do the right thing and send him packing, for good. It's about time he stuck to his guns (no pun intended) and show the rest of the team that he means business and will not tolerate any more thug behavior from his players. One or two times of putting his foot down should start to get the message across.

Who is left on the team?  ESPN had a story last night; UGA has had a pile of dismissals and suspensions.  Their O-line was going to be the primary weakness (before this RB shortage now), so even with their weak schedule they may struggle this year.  The SEC East may be a joke again.

Aaron Murray.  :lol:

Maybe his new jersey should have a target on it.
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UGA has a new RB candidate.

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http://m.outkickthecoverage.com/article.php?cn=416

With the loss of Crowell and the other knot heads, Georgia is no longer a favorite to win the East. I think this leaves the door wide open for USC & Florida and maybe even Vandy.


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Nice article here detailing Crowell's troubles.  All I can say is thank you Lord for allowing him to have free will to choose Georgia. (or anywhere else). These young men sure are blowing a promising successful career with their stupid antics.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2012/06/29/2104723/stephanie-pedersen-did-isaiah.html#storylink=rss (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2012/06/29/2104723/stephanie-pedersen-did-isaiah.html#storylink=rss)

Thanks for the story, Terrie.  We all make some wrong decisions when we're young (and sometimes afterwards), but this guy seems intent on ruining his life.  He was given a second chance, then a third.  It's just a waste of talent, and he'll likely be only an asterisk in memory as a football player.

Hate to sound like my Granny (RIP), but "what's this young generation coming to?"

Amen! :dunno:

thanks Chech ... riding the rails once again  :clap:

good stuff for sure , but hate that another promising talented young man
has thrown away a chance that most will never get , very sad in that respect .

but my fanhood rears it's ugly head and says to me ...
"only way this could have been any sweeter is if he had went to the barn" 

 :-[ :-[ :-[


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Roll Tide Crowell  :clap:

what's coming next ?

the gun was planted ?
the gun was only a pellet gun ?
it wasn't his , left by the guy that rented the car the day before ?
he didn't know the gun was a gun ?