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Title: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 15, 2012, 07:58:55 PM Boy, the BOT really made some drastic changes, didn't they? :eyeroll:
Quote The university is still under scrutiny by the Department of Education and the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), inquiries that could further tarnish Penn State's reputation and that of its storied football program. The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period. Quote Trustee Kenneth Frazier, head of the committee addressing the Sandusky scandal, said Thursday that the school's board of trustees is "deeply ashamed" by its lack of oversight identified in the report. The board met again on Friday for a regularly scheduled session, and again pledged to make good on implementing the changes. They made some changes Friday including reducing the term of board members from 15 years to 12 years. This change applies to board members elected this year. The board also voted to add 30 minutes of public comment during future board meetings. Quote In November, the Education Department notified Penn State that it was looking into the school's compliance with the Clery Act, a federal law that requires universities to report crimes on or near campus and provide timely warnings if reported crimes threaten the campus community. In his report, Freeh said top university officials forged an agreement to conceal Sandusky's sexual attacks more than a decade ago, outlining a culture of secrecy while pointing to an incident in which janitors aware of the abuse took no action, out of fear. http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-13/us/us_pennsylvania-penn-state-investigation_1_jerry-sandusky-sandusky-trial-legendary-head-football :deadhorse: Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: XBAMA on July 15, 2012, 08:04:27 PM not much on espn writers but ... http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162972/joe-paterno-true-legacy
Quote It was supposed to be a secret, but one night the phone in my hotel room rang. It was a Penn State professor, calling out of the blue. "Are you here to take part in hagiography?" he said. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 15, 2012, 08:42:44 PM Great link, just incredible. One of the most insightful stories on this matter.
Quote n 1986, I spent a week in State College, Pa., researching a 10-page Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year piece on Joe Paterno. Quote "You're going to be just like the rest, aren't you? You're going to make Paterno out to be a saint. You don't know him. He'll do anything to win. What you media are doing is dangerous." Quote Twenty-five years later, when former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was accused of a 15-year reign of pedophilia on young boys, I thought Paterno was too old and too addled to understand, too grandfatherly and Catholic to get that Sandusky was committing grisly crimes using Paterno's own football program as bait. But I was wrong. Paterno knew. He knew all about it. He'd known for years. He knew and he followed it vigilantly. :o Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: XBAMA on July 15, 2012, 08:50:17 PM thought you might like it MD , I did .
just goes to show , JP had them by the footballs Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: BAMAWV on July 15, 2012, 09:05:47 PM I posted on another PSU thread:
Quote Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time. I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame. To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 15, 2012, 10:09:49 PM I posted on another PSU thread: Quote Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time. I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame. To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received? ??? Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: XBAMA on July 15, 2012, 10:13:52 PM thought JP's motto always was , "a squeaky clean program at all cost"
:lol: Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: 2Stater on July 16, 2012, 09:01:19 AM Quote The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period. I hate to venture into this, but you know as well as I do that his pedophilia didn't just suddenly start when he was in his 15th year of a 30 year career at PSU. Looking at his coaching career, he also spent time at Juniata College and Boston Univ. I have to wonder what went on there, as well as the earlier years at PSU, and why nobody during that time has stepped up and incriminated him. Too embarrassed, maybe, but you know it went on. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: XBAMA on July 16, 2012, 10:46:23 AM Quote The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period. I hate to venture into this, but you know as well as I do that his pedophilia didn't just suddenly start when he was in his 15th year of a 30 year career at PSU. Looking at his coaching career, he also spent time at Juniata College and Boston Univ. I have to wonder what went on there, as well as the earlier years at PSU, and why nobody during that time has stepped up and incriminated him. Too embarrassed, maybe, but you know it went on. I thought about that also 2 ... and I hate to say it but I am going to ... Lord forgive me ... it seems like they almost condone it up there like almost everyone sort of expects it or does it I know that sounds crazy , but when you dig into the underbelly it darn sure seems like it , like it's not a big deal to the majority ... maybe I'm way off base here but I've dug a pretty deep hole looking at this thing and the more I dig the more it seems that away ... it's like .... child rape ? what ? everyone does it :dunno: Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: ALTideUp on July 16, 2012, 11:11:51 AM To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. The fundamental problem is not the men but the institution that they created and developed. The institution is Penn State Football. The institution of PSU football, and the culture of it, which extends beyond the athletic department to the University as a whole and the town and region, is what ultimately led to these problems. In the face of such powerful institutional and cultural forces, the next 4 guys they get in there are likely to do the same thing. I usually take up the argument that the NCAA errs when coaches screwup and their U is left to deal with all the penalties and other consequences. In this case it really is PSU football that is the cause of the problem and PSU football that has to be brought under control. The only way to do that is suspending the program. Otherwise, it's like imprisoning a bank robber for robbing a bank, but letting him keep the money. If you need analogical clarification of what has gone on at PSU and what need to happen, watch High Plains Drifter. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: McBaman on July 16, 2012, 12:59:02 PM Heck of a piece by the ESPN guy. Wonder if it will resonate. It's the kind of piece that could get under the skin of authorities (including NCAA) and motovate them to bring down the hammer real hard.
Like I said in another thread, if SMU can get the death penalty for recruiting violatioins, etc, the what does this kind of prolonged coverup merit? Or consider: who was damaged more, in a long-lasting way: the 'victims' who got the goodies at SMU or the victims at PSU? Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: BAMAWV on July 16, 2012, 02:53:19 PM I posted on another PSU thread: Quote Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time. I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame. To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received? ??? Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 16, 2012, 04:07:02 PM I posted on another PSU thread: Quote Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time. I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame. To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received? ??? A jail sentence is not an NCAA sanction, in case you don't know that. Let's see, the footballcoach knew about child rape and did not report it, some of the child rapes occurred in the footballcomplex, the guy doing the child rapes was a current and former footballcoach, the Athletic Directorand university President covered up for the sake of the footballcoach and program. Gosh, I just don't see how football is involved in any way. And they definitely had institutional control over the footballprogram, didn't they? Yeah, we should be more humane to the child rapist and those who covered for him and not pile on, right? By the way, you still have not told me what NCAA sanctions they had suffered. You brought up the subject, not me. :eyeroll: Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: 2Stater on July 16, 2012, 06:57:36 PM Quote The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period. I hate to venture into this, but you know as well as I do that his pedophilia didn't just suddenly start when he was in his 15th year of a 30 year career at PSU. Looking at his coaching career, he also spent time at Juniata College and Boston Univ. I have to wonder what went on there, as well as the earlier years at PSU, and why nobody during that time has stepped up and incriminated him. Too embarrassed, maybe, but you know it went on. Well whaddya know....... http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8170790/penn-state-nittany-lions-new-jerry-sandusky-accusers-say-abuse-dates-1970s-report-says Quote Three men have told investigators that Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coordinator recently convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse, molested them in the 1970s and 1980s, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., has reported, citing sources close to the case. None of Sandusky's 10 previously known victims had predated the 1990s, and in his report released Thursday, former FBI director Louis Freeh said his review for Penn State's board of trustees had not found evidence predating the '90s. One of the three new accusers says he was abused in the early 1970s, the report says. Sandusky's defense had argued in his trial that a person doesn't become a pedophile in his or her 50s. Sandusky turned 68 in January. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: BAMAWV on July 16, 2012, 07:07:12 PM I posted on another PSU thread: Quote Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time. I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame. To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received? ??? A jail sentence is not an NCAA sanction, in case you don't know that. Let's see, the footballcoach knew about child rape and did not report it, some of the child rapes occurred in the footballcomplex, the guy doing the child rapes was a current and former footballcoach, the Athletic Directorand university President covered up for the sake of the footballcoach and program. Gosh, I just don't see how football is involved in any way. And they definitely had institutional control over the footballprogram, didn't they? Yeah, we should be more humane to the child rapist and those who covered for him and not pile on, right? By the way, you still have not told me what NCAA sanctions they had suffered. You brought up the subject, not me. :eyeroll: Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: pmull on July 16, 2012, 07:22:10 PM I posted on another PSU thread: Quote Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time. I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame. To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received? ??? A jail sentence is not an NCAA sanction, in case you don't know that. Let's see, the footballcoach knew about child rape and did not report it, some of the child rapes occurred in the footballcomplex, the guy doing the child rapes was a current and former footballcoach, the Athletic Directorand university President covered up for the sake of the footballcoach and program. Gosh, I just don't see how football is involved in any way. And they definitely had institutional control over the footballprogram, didn't they? Yeah, we should be more humane to the child rapist and those who covered for him and not pile on, right? By the way, you still have not told me what NCAA sanctions they had suffered. You brought up the subject, not me. :eyeroll: BAMAWV is being stubborn. :-\ Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 16, 2012, 08:04:21 PM I posted on another PSU thread: Quote Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time. I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame. To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this. Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received? ??? A jail sentence is not an NCAA sanction, in case you don't know that. Let's see, the footballcoach knew about child rape and did not report it, some of the child rapes occurred in the footballcomplex, the guy doing the child rapes was a current and former footballcoach, the Athletic Directorand university President covered up for the sake of the footballcoach and program. Gosh, I just don't see how football is involved in any way. And they definitely had institutional control over the footballprogram, didn't they? Yeah, we should be more humane to the child rapist and those who covered for him and not pile on, right? By the way, you still have not told me what NCAA sanctions they had suffered. You brought up the subject, not me. :eyeroll: No way am I implying you are a coddler or enabler of these evil men. My point and the point others are trying to make is this. The football program is the main reason the rapes were allowed to go on, the HC enabled and concealed these crimes to protect his legacy and to keep his job. Paterno was around 70 at the time and the program was not at the same high level of performance as years earlier. The AD and President were involved in this conspiracy. If that's not a loss of institutional control, I don't know what is. This is what the NCAA harps on, not letting an athletic program run a university, but instead the university runs the program. This is not the chemistry department we are talking about, but the football program. I think the NCAA will have to get involved due to the public and media uproar. The football program MUST be punished, since it was the impetus for the cover-up & continuing crime. I have suggested on other threads: forfeiting of games (at least 2 years worth, maybe 5) to deny Paterno the win record at least 2 year bowl ban no tv revenue for any games for 2 years (money goes to charity for children) Paterno statue must come down remove Paterno name from all buildings/streets lose 21 scholarships, maybe more I would like to know your opinion of the above. Thanks. :dog: Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: XBAMA on July 17, 2012, 07:41:40 AM this morning driving back from fishing I was listing to Yahoo Sports radio
the guy on the show , Dave somebody , was talking about the case he said that in a case like this the victim count is not just eight victims because the average victim count on a case like this is 150 victims , over the span of when the sicko starts, up until like Jerry did , gets caught . :( Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Jamos on July 17, 2012, 08:28:17 AM I have no remorse for PSU and their staff of leaders that turned their heads to this terrible crime. I am really shaken by the number of people that have chosen to support the school and their football program. This was child rape, not the usual sports related crimes such as DUI, drugs, and sometimes gun related incidents.
These crimes happened within the confines of the athletic department and the criminal was protected by not only the head football coach but by the heads of the university as well. How lowdown and rotten can some people become, all for the love of a football program. Child rape, this has to be the bottom of the barrel as far as hideous crimes are concerned, but yet these fans and supporters of PSU are adamantly screaming bloody murder at the thought of what might happen to their wonderful PSU football program. My thoughts and prayers go out to all of the victims and their families and personally I hope that all of the people that are involved with this coverup get the maximum penalty allowed by the Pennsylvania law. To give the PSU football team the death penalty, would only be the icing on the cake, very gratifying. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: pmull on July 17, 2012, 09:47:55 AM I think the handling of this case by the university administration and BOT is discussing. I think they need to get hit with the following:
1. First and most important is to criminally charge any and all administration that had knowledge of Sandusky's child molestation and cover it up and failed to report it to the proper authority as required by law. I think they should be punished to the maximum extent of the law. 2. I think the NCAA should charge the foot program with "Lack of Intitutional Control". The football program and Paterno were running that University. University rules did not apply to the football program. They need to be severely punished. They need to vacate wins for the last 2-5 years. They need a 2 year bowl ban. They need 10 scholarships removed for 3 years. They need to knock this football program down a few pegs. 3. If the administration and BOT don't take immediate action to make changes they need their accreditation pulled. The BOT needs to be screaming at the top of their lungs telling the entire nation how sorry they are this has happened and what procedures they are putting in place to make sure it never happens again. They need to show remorse. They need to start cleaning house and bring in new administration from outside Penn St to start things from scratch. No hiring of the "good ole local boys". If they made major changes and show good faith they need to be put on probation. Losing their accreditation will ruin the university. I think that is going too far if they show they are trying to do the right thing. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: hscoach on July 17, 2012, 10:42:55 AM I think the handling of this case by the university administration and BOT is discussing. I think they need to get hit with the following: I agree with you. I was listening to ESPN radio yesterday and they were talking about how this wasn't an NCAA violation. I was thinking like you, "Lack of Institutional Control", where does it state that it only relates to athletes? Also, I would hate for people to know, if I was a booster, that I was supporting these people.1. First and most important is to criminally charge any and all administration that had knowledge of Sandusky's child molestation and cover it up and failed to report it to the proper authority as required by law. I think they should be punished to the maximum extent of the law. 2. I think the NCAA should charge the foot program with "Lack of Intitutional Control". The football program and Paterno were running that University. University rules did not apply to the football program. They need to be severely punished. They need to vacate wins for the last 2-5 years. They need a 2 year bowl ban. They need 10 scholarships removed for 3 years. They need to knock this football program down a few pegs. 3. If the administration and BOT don't take immediate action to make changes they need their accreditation pulled. The BOT needs to be screaming at the top of their lungs telling the entire nation how sorry they are this has happened and what procedures they are putting in place to make sure it never happens again. They need to show remorse. They need to start cleaning house and bring in new administration from outside Penn St to start things from scratch. No hiring of the "good ole local boys". If they made major changes and show good faith they need to be put on probation. Losing their accreditation will ruin the university. I think that is going too far if they show they are trying to do the right thing. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: ALTideUp on July 17, 2012, 11:24:24 AM It is also true that lack of institutional control is not only about explaining what has happened in the past, but the assumption that the lack of institutional control will surely lead to problems in the future if not corrected.
Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 17, 2012, 11:32:33 AM It is also true that lack of institutional control is not only about explaining what has happened in the past, but the assumption that the lack of institutional control will surely lead to problems in the future if not corrected. EXACTLY!! Great point and I had forgot all about that. Yes, the NCAA wants to make sure this does not happen again, where the football HC is running the university. Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: BAMAWV on July 17, 2012, 04:08:27 PM Over the year or two of knowing MD, I feel he would have done the right thing and tried to put a stop to these hideous crimes. I would like to think I would do the same, but in self analylsis, if there was somehow a BUNCH of money to be lost by interceding, I sadly may not have acted. There are several others on this board I feel have the courage to stand up for what is right. But the truth is that 8 or 9 out of 10 people will do anything to avoid conflict. To walk into a shower area and throw a naked football coach against a wall, take a naked tween to get dressed, and then drive him to the police station is too much for the average joe coward to handle. Be honest, ask yourself, and then see how much you want to continue flogging a wounded horse.
Title: Re: More Storms Looming for Penn State Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 17, 2012, 04:24:15 PM Over the year or two of knowing MD, I feel he would have done the right thing and tried to put a stop to these hideous crimes. I would like to think I would do the same, but in self analylsis, if there was somehow a BUNCH of money to be lost by interceding, I sadly may not have acted. There are several others on this board I feel have the courage to stand up for what is right. But the truth is that 8 or 9 out of 10 people will do anything to avoid conflict. To walk into a shower area and throw a naked football coach against a wall, take a naked tween to get dressed, and then drive him to the police station is too much for the average joe coward to handle. Be honest, ask yourself, and then see how much you want to continue flogging a wounded horse. I think there is a lot of truth in what you say. One point a lot of folks is missing is Paterno was not the only one who was idolized, so was Sandusky. Sandusky was Paterno's right hand man and to confront such a lionized person would have been hard for most folks. That's where common sense and right and wrong have to kick in, like an automatic response, and say child rape is evil and must be stopped and da#@ the consequences. The truth is, if someone had come forward, they would have been seen as a hero for stopping such evil. By the way, what sanctions, if any do you think the NCAA should hand Penn State. Just wondering. Plus, read the post about what the NCAA said about Penn State. :dog: |