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Title: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 17, 2013, 11:49:38 AM
I do find this conversation interesting. At what point do we see football become like the CFL, all passing and no defense or running? And what about injuries?


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Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: pmull on July 17, 2013, 12:07:56 PM
Offenses are constantly changing and trying to get a step ahead of the defense. The defense eventually catches up. We have seen the wishbone, shotgun, four wide receivers, no backs and the list goes on and on. Defenses will adapt to the no huddle, hurry up offense.

In the long run the team that is best prepared, executes their game plan, has a solid kicking game, makes the fewest mistakes, out blocks and out tackles their opponents will win regardless of what type offense they use.


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: ricky023 on July 17, 2013, 01:14:15 PM
I have to agree with coach. What would happen to the gifted RB if all we do is pass? I know that have to be able to catch but off left tackle and running wide open to the end zone to me is as exciting as a 90 yard bomb. I just love football and hard nosed stuff. RTR!


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 17, 2013, 03:13:22 PM
Offenses are constantly changing and trying to get a step ahead of the defense. The defense eventually catches up. We have seen the wishbone, shotgun, four wide receivers, no backs and the list goes on and on. Defenses will adapt to the no huddle, hurry up offense.

In the long run the team that is best prepared, executes their game plan, has a solid kicking game, makes the fewest mistakes, out blocks and out tackles their opponents will win regardless of what type offense they use.



This is what I tell people. I think one possible solution is for defensive players to get lighter in weight, making them faster & quicker. This would match speed against speed, which a defense will usually win.


 :clap:


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: SUPERCOACH on July 17, 2013, 04:17:02 PM
Offenses are constantly changing and trying to get a step ahead of the defense. The defense eventually catches up. We have seen the wishbone, shotgun, four wide receivers, no backs and the list goes on and on. Defenses will adapt to the no huddle, hurry up offense.

In the long run the team that is best prepared, executes their game plan, has a solid kicking game, makes the fewest mistakes, out blocks and out tackles their opponents will win regardless of what type offense they use.



This is what I tell people. I think one possible solution is for defensive players to get lighter in weight, making them faster & quicker. This would match speed against speed, which a defense will usually win.


 :clap:

Then the offense will migrate back to smash mouth.  It is a never ending cycle to try to stay ahead of your opponents.  No need for rule changes IMO, it is all part of the strategy that makes this the greatest game ever played.


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: ricky023 on July 17, 2013, 04:17:44 PM
What happens if the Defensive guy loses weight, do they have that head on contact strength? I wonder on this because our team seems to be fast with weight but I see your point trying to keep up with WR's coming over the middle or RB's running down the sideline. RTR!


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Catch Prothro on July 17, 2013, 04:39:38 PM
Offenses are constantly changing and trying to get a step ahead of the defense. The defense eventually catches up. We have seen the wishbone, shotgun, four wide receivers, no backs and the list goes on and on. Defenses will adapt to the no huddle, hurry up offense.

In the long run the team that is best prepared, executes their game plan, has a solid kicking game, makes the fewest mistakes, out blocks and out tackles their opponents will win regardless of what type offense they use.



This is what I tell people. I think one possible solution is for defensive players to get lighter in weight, making them faster & quicker. This would match speed against speed, which a defense will usually win.


 :clap:
Speed with size is Saban's solution.


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 17, 2013, 05:21:16 PM
Offenses are constantly changing and trying to get a step ahead of the defense. The defense eventually catches up. We have seen the wishbone, shotgun, four wide receivers, no backs and the list goes on and on. Defenses will adapt to the no huddle, hurry up offense.

In the long run the team that is best prepared, executes their game plan, has a solid kicking game, makes the fewest mistakes, out blocks and out tackles their opponents will win regardless of what type offense they use.



This is what I tell people. I think one possible solution is for defensive players to get lighter in weight, making them faster & quicker. This would match speed against speed, which a defense will usually win.


 :clap:
Speed with size is Saban's solution.



The problem is a Percy Harvin type of WR at 175lbs is not going to be run down or tackled by too many guys who weigh 230 or more. They are just too elusive & quick.


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Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: bama87 on July 17, 2013, 07:51:32 PM
The best way to control these uptempo teams is to keep them off the field. Pound the rock and beat their defense into submission. A power 6-7 minute offense will render them useless.

On defense we are doing it right by taking the safety out and putting in an extra db. Also an aggressive pass rush will hurt them, because most of these type teams only play to one side of the field. Theses qbs are quick to pull it down when the primary guy is open. Just look how we defended ND.


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Jamos on July 18, 2013, 06:10:48 AM
Ball control is the signature of CNS and Bama. When you look at bama's Btats of the game plays, it is usually balanced as to running plays versus passing plays.


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Old Tider on July 18, 2013, 10:40:20 AM
Coach Bryant said when you pass three things can happen, and two of them are bad.


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Marshal Dillon on July 18, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
Coach Bryant said when you pass three things can happen, and two of them are bad.



I think Woody Hayes said that. In the years 1964 to 1967, the Tide was known for its sophisticated passing attack.


 :dunno:


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: pmull on July 18, 2013, 11:16:33 AM
Coach Bryant said when you pass three things can happen, and two of them are bad.



I think Woody Hayes said that. In the years 1964 to 1967, the Tide was known for its sophisticated passing attack.


 :dunno:

I thought it was Darrell Royal.  :dunno:


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: ricky023 on July 18, 2013, 11:32:45 AM
Could it have been BO Schembeckler? RTR!


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: SUPERCOACH on July 18, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
They probably all said it.  :lol:


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: pmull on July 18, 2013, 03:12:03 PM
If you google the phase you get conflicting answers. It appears either Darrell royal or Woody Hayes was the first to say it. UT Bob Neyland and Mich St Duffy Daugherty are also mentioned as possible.  :dunno:


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on July 18, 2013, 04:56:41 PM
I've heard Gene Stallings credit it to Coach Bryant as well.  Apparently it was a popular phrase!


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: 2Stater on July 19, 2013, 07:43:48 PM
Bama has always done pretty well against the hurry up/ spread offenses, with one exception; aTm. The ONLY reason that happened, IMO, is that we came off of a very emotional and physical game against LSU, at their stadium, the week before.

Cliff Kingsbury was dead on in his interview, when he said that Bama would most likely come out flat and that aTm would have to take it to them early and hold on. That's exactly what happened.

Saban has always had the right approach for those offenses, big and fast is always better than small and fast/ big and slow.


Title: Re: Ole Miss Coach Rebuts Coach Saban
Post by: rueben on July 20, 2013, 07:44:05 AM
Bama has always done pretty well against the hurry up/ spread offenses, with one exception; aTm. The ONLY reason that happened, IMO, is that we came off of a very emotional and physical game against LSU, at their stadium, the week before.

Cliff Kingsbury was dead on in his interview, when he said that Bama would most likely come out flat and that aTm would have to take it to them early and hold on. That's exactly what happened.

Saban has always had the right approach for those offenses, big and fast is always better than small and fast/ big and slow.

    We actually did well against it in that game... 75% of it anyway....