Crimson Red Sports

This might get interesting.  :popcorn2:


http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9537999/otl-ncaa-investigating-johnny-manziel-profiting-autographs

GUILTY

But can they prove it??

Three years from now the NCAA will find there was no wrong doing. :popcorn2:

Maybe.  But this investigation began during January; visits with all parties conducted during June. 

A&M may have to decide soon whether to play him.

Bummer if we have to play them without JFF.

This is two years in a row that the school has to make a decision on this guy. The coach saved him last year.

I hope he plays against us, then 4 days later he gets suspended.


 :popcorn2:

He'll play against us. Even if guilty all he will have to do is pay back the money, and his family has the money, and take a game or two suspension. We are his third game. 

This will not end well for JFK. I think the NCAA wants to get someone and that might be him. Remember AJ Greene got 4 game suspension and has to pay back 1000 dollars for signing a jersey and getting paid for it.

A&M will suspend him for the cupcake games then pat themselves on the back for being tough on him.


 :facepalm:

From reading the article about him the other day, I would not be surprised if he doesn't just walk away.  They seemed pretty fed up with the NCAA, aTm, and the whole situation.

This USA Today article shows similar examples and the punishment they got.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2013/08/04/texas-am-aggies-johnny-manziel-money-for-autographs/2617413/

^^^THIS^^^

Its funny you say that, because I have had some similar thoughts. Seems like he could pull out of school, wait until next January and start the push for getting into the draft. It seems he has no desire to be at aTm, and I wonder if deep down the Aggies are a little tired of his act as well.

If he is suspended for the beat down I will be severely disappointed.

^^^THIS^^^ ;)

It's possible (some will say improbable) that Manziel has known about this investigation for months, and THAT's why he's been such an outlaw all winter.

You could read his father's statement in a whole new light now (after knowing this).

Exactly. Maybe that's why he had such a don't give a rip attitude and his father supported all of his antics.

A&M and Coach Sumlin brought him to SEC Media Days. If they thought something big was happening Johnny Football would not have made the trip. It would have been easy to bring three seniors and say he did not come because he is only a sophomore.

The most disturbing thing about this whole situation with Manziel is the conduct of Coach Sumlin. He has said zero and done zero. He strictly wants to win and get a pro job and to  h**l with everyone else. I have no respect for him.


 :facepalm:

This whole NCAA investigation blew up during June.
It was middle June when JFF posted, "I can’t wait to leave college station".

I think Sumlin knew about it and it's consequences at Media Days but didn't want to be the big story there if he didn't bring Manziel.

Well, if you recall, that was right after he left (or was booted) from the Manning Camp.  He had to answer all of that anyhow.

But if he had not brought Manziel, HTW, he would have done a lot more answering.

True, but everyone would have thought it was because of him leaving Camp.  Nobody would have suspected anything else.

What a mess.  Bet Sumlin wishes he'd left for the NFL.

Yes it is and I agree about Sumlin.

Sumlin has his hands full with or without Manziel. He has let one player become bigger than the team. That is a formula for disaster.

Probably the most salient comment I've heard about this situation.   #+

^^^
pmull nailed it.

This whole thing is just stupid.  Would someone please tell me how JM getting paid for his autograph gives him an athletic advantage?
 :yawn:

No athletic advantage.
But also, 'NO AMATEUR STATUS'.

Yeah, that's a crock too... :eyeroll:

If the money had gone to the NCAA, then it would have been okay.


 :dog:

Look the rule is the rule, no matter how we feel about the rule, if you break a rule your out...unless your Scam Newton.

This does not look as bad as first reported. The NCAA must prove JF accepted extra benefits which will be hard to do. This is beginning to sound like the Trent Richardson and T-Town Men's Wear story from a few years ago.


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/johnny-manziel-autograph-report-tough-burden-on-ncaa-to-prove-payment-080413

I'm guessing you meant to post "doesn't", but yeah, this will be little more than a slap on the wrist if there is anything to it.

You are right. I went back and modified my post to say "does not". If they find a money trial he is toast. I have lost faint in the NCAA finding anything. Unless you turn yourself in the NCAA is incompentent. The Miami case was a slam dunk and they screwed that up.

There's a lot of belly aching from all over about the NCAA and rightfully so. Emmert better get the ship righted or the organization may be history.

Please stop teasing us... ;)

Exactly.

Look, stopping at STOP SIGNS when nobody is coming is still against the law.

Chech Story:
I was once stopped by the Oxford Police for rolling through a stop sign.
He asked if I saw it.
"Yes", I said.  "They should all be YIELD SIGNS.  Why should I stop if it's clear to go?  Every STOP SIGN should be replaced by a YIELD SIGN."
He laughed and told me, "Have a nice day."

TRUE STORY.   :lol2:

A lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Sheriffs
Deputy. He thinks that he is smarter than the Deputy because he is
sure that he has a better education. He decides to prove this to
himself and have some fun at the deputies expense...

Deputy says, "License and registration, please."

Lawyer says, "What for?"

Deputy says, "You didn't come to a complete stop at the
stop sign."

Lawyer says, "I slowed down, and no one was coming."

Deputy says, "You still didn't come to a complete stop.
License and registration, please."

Lawyer says, "What's the difference?"

Deputy says, "The difference is, you have to come to a
complete stop, that's the law. License and registration, please!"

Lawyer says, "If you can show me the legal difference
between slow down and stop, I'll give you my license and
registration and you give me the ticket, if not you let me go
with no ticket."

Deputy says, "Exit your vehicle, sir."

At this point, the deputy takes out his nightstick and
starts beating the ever-loving crap out of the lawyer and says:
"Do you want me to stop or just slow down?"

5 new conferences?

 :lol2:

Then again, NALT, they are kind of like the cockroach. Hard to eradicate.

 :lol:

:lol2: :lol2:
Thank God it wasn't a sheriff deputy who stopped me ...


... which I was about 35 years ago.  Another TRUE story.

According to SI.com Manziel will practice today. He will not be available for after practice press conference.

Update on JFF:

ESPN reporting a Broker ("from the South") came forward with photos of JFF signing the stuff.  Quoted as saying (prior to BCSNCG), "JFF told us he wouldn't sign for free any more."

 :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2:

A law breaking ex cop huh? :lol:

I can understand why they won't let him have an interview. This young boy sticks his foot in his mouth to much. I will be curious to see how this turns out. RTR!

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:  GUILTY   :unsure: :unsure:

Even if nothing is substantiated on this "autograph for pay" deal, it's just one more distraction for JFF and the aTm team. I will be surprised if they have half the success that they had last year, at least early on. I would really like to catch them at their best when we kick the tar out of them, not distracted.

Te'o was distracted.  I enjoyed the game anyhow.

BTW, turn on ESPNU.  Updates and more info coming out by the minute about JFF and this crap.  People are talking, and none of it favors Johnny.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9539990/broker-says-johnny-manziel-friend-halted-free-autograph-signings

Here, read this update.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQ6hY6HCAAArjIt.jpg)

ESPN's "proof pic".

ESPN announced just now: "Kevin Sumlin press conference coming up this hour."

I don't think JF suvives this one. just my humble opinion.

Seems simple to me, just pull a Cam...Johnny just says I didnt know my friend was asking for money.

For those of us at work let us know what Sumlin has to say. TIA

He said, "Blah, blah, blah ... all freshmen reported, excited about 2013, blah..."

Questions about the $$$ and JFF: "University matter, don't know if there was any letter sent to us, blah, blah, blah..."

NOTHING WORTHWHILE.

You have a lot more faith in the NCAA than I do.


 :popcorn2:

That would indicate you have SOME faith in the NCAA. I have zero, especially after the Cam and Miami debacles.

Interesting article. No problems in Aggie-Land, just ask them.






http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/johnny-manziel-autograph-controvesry-clouds-start-of-texas-am-camp-080513



 :lol2:

The Aggies have hired a law firm and dug in.  They're gambling that the NCAA will either:

1. ... take so long that JFF will finish the year first;
2. ... find him innocent (well, maybe);
3. ... punish him after the big game (GUESS WHO), allowing him to sit during nothing games and before the bowl games;
4. ... be so inept in their investigation (without subpoenas) that even a one-legged, blind hooker could escape their net.
 :)

Regardless of what the NCAA finds or does not find this circus has to be distracting to the team. A&M has a lot of holes to fill from last years team on both sides of the ball. I am not sure they have future all-SEC talent sitting on the bench to fill those holes like we do. This is a coaches nightmare.

I agree with most of this. I also think our judicial sysem works the same way. It is amazing what a $500 an hour attorney can do to help someone out of a jam.

... and sad that it takes a $500/hr attorney to prove your innocence in a judicial system based on "innocent until proven guilty". 

 :makemyday:

I'm rooting for aTm on this one, at least until after GUESS WHO.

 I heard yesterday that Vegas took aTms games off the board. That's really all you need to know if you are trying to determine if there is anything to all this.

I agree.  Plus, JFF has clammed up.  He's never done that before, despite the numerous episodes of misbehavior.

The Manziel hole is getting deeper & deeper.






http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9544137/broker-says-johnny-manziel-took-7500-autographing-helmets



 :popcorn2:

Thanks, MD.
"Thanks for nothing, JFF."   :wall:

They were reporting this on the radio and said Joe Schad had seen a video from the broker showing Manziel signing the items and has audio of Manziel stating he can not let anyone know about this. The broker wanted to sell the video but ESPN refused.


 :think:

The broker said he will not help the NCAA. There is a lot of smoke. Some one will start talking.

Those weasels would sell their mothers for a buck.  They'll talk.
Prolly won't be able to stop 'em.

How many of these sleazeballs are out there, 10, 12, or more? One is bound to sell his story to get his 15 minutes of fame.


 ???

I'm thinking Manziel never took the money directly.  $7500 seems like slim pickins.  Maybe he is that dumb, but I doubt it.  The money could have gone to his family's "Johnny Football" business.  If that is the case, then we have another SCam scenario.  Sounds like the broker is trying to cash in.

No, I think he's stupid enough to take the money himself.
Doubt it ever saw a bank, though.
Maybe the IRS will start sniffing around and scare up the truth.

I agree for once with Jim Rome, Manziel just doesn't care. I think there will be a paper trail & Manziel never thought about it. He just does not care, he is a spoiled brat who thinks the world owes him something & he is giving the world the finger.


 :facepalm:

Maybe.
Mostly, he's a drinker.  Drinkers act drunk when they're drunk.  :lol2:

The broker claims Manziel told him he needed new rims for his car. Those rims must be gold-plated. Like I said, this kid doesn't care and he's doing whatever he wants to. This is going to end in a train wreck if he is not stopped.


 :deadhorse:

I'm thinking the lead car on that train has already derailed.


Edited, not censored, by Chech.  :wave:

Good point. I think this latest uproar has finally quieted Manziel and made Sumlin do something besides mumbling at news conferences.


 :dunno:

The Manziel affect is kicking in.



http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/story/Report-Manziel-affecting-Texas-AM-Alabam?blockID=926805&feedID=3742



 :think:

well if nothing else , Johnny Foosball is making all the little barners re-live the
T-Town Menswear episode and making them miserable  :clap:

Go Johnny Go !    :lol:


hey big man lettme hold a dolla'  :dunno:

Effect.
Anyhow, Leroy and I are saving our money for a Power Wagon.  I'll watch us crush the Aggies on TV.

:lol:  Well, yeah, there's that.  

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b135/TexPete/moneybadger1_zps3fe46b66.jpg)

 :clap:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, barners do know dense.  :lol2:

 :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

(http://gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/johnny-football-casino-money.jpg)

Hello, I'm Johnny Cash.

Good one!   #+

"I hear the train a comin'
It's rolling round the bend
And I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when,
I'm stuck in Folsom prison, and time keeps draggin' on"

Or is he in a ring of fire?

"I fell in to a burning ring of fire
I went down,down,down
and the flames went higher.
And it burns,burns,burns
the ring of fire
the ring of fire."

I think he is at the "Ring of Fire" stage right now, so he better "Walk the Line.

Rather than trying  to put the fire out, he keeps fanning it. :facepalm:

:lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl:

Front page material right there.  #+

(http://i.imgur.com/dWNbfe4.jpg)

Johnny has gotten scary big, even for A&M fans.

With Scam Newton as a mentor, JM should now be well versed on how to handle the NCAA and this situation and the A&M fans can breathe easier. I wonder if it was Newton's idea to hire the lawyers that represented Auburn in his case.

To me, hiring them was admission of guilt.  Period.

Yes, I thought the same as well, you don't call for a fire truck unless there is a fire. I'm keeping an eye on Clowney as well, his name seems to keep popping up in the news lately. :-\

Spurrier said (yesterday) they'd looked into it.  He said Clowney was clean; sounded honest.  "The items in doubt were signed at SEC Days in public."

"The NCAA is getting out of the jersey-selling business. On Thursday, NCAA President Mark Emmert acknowledged that it was "hypocritical" for the governing body to be selling jerseys of players and other college athletes on its own web site. He said it did not fit the NCAA's own model. He said all of the items would be removed as soon as possible. The decision comes less than a week after Heisman Trophy-winner Johnny Manziel was accused of receiving money for signing autographs. That would be a violation of NCAA rules, and if proven, could jeopardize his eligibility. USA Today reported this week that some of the items sold on an NCAA site could be searched by using the names of specific players. ..."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ncaa-jersey-selling-business-19908465
Prelude to dismissing the JFF case??  :yawn:

(http://www.farkriffic.com/farks/johnnymanziel_nazisigning.gif)
- credit to U Texas web site

 :lol2:

LSU Freak should chime in soon.

This Manziel stuff is driving Las Vegas crazy.




http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/johnny-manziel-questions-heisman-texas-am-aggies-ncaa-major-shift-betting-gambling-lines-vegas-odds-080813

Manziel's attorney is now picking the starting QB for Texas A&M. Sumlin has lost control if you ask me.






http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/23072370/manziels-attorney-johnny-will-be-the-starting-qb-against-rice


 :facepalm:

We have to remember who Manziels attorney is dealing with, the NCAA.  These idiots have no clue as to how to investigate a case and prosecute it. ;)

The law firm seems to be a one-trick pony:
 
They convinced the NCAA that Scam didn't know his Dad took the money.
Yesterday, word came down that Manziel didn't know his "Uncle Nate" was running an autograph-for-cash business.

Will the NCAA fall for it again?  Does the Pope....  [well... censored] ?

If I remember correctly, the NCAA closed that loophole after the $cam case.

I know they did, as it occurred for Scam, but this is the tact being shown by A&M so far. Maybe the family-member loophole was closed; not a business using the player! Only news released since the lawyers were hired concerns Uncle Nate's role, and how JFF is cooperating completely (i.e., blaming Nate for everything!).

I thought it would come to this.  I bet the rules say nothing about a business profiting.

And we know why the family picked Uncle Nate -- they needed a fall guy.

In the Scam case the NCAA bent the rules to overlook Cecil Newton from trying to sell his son to Miss State. No money changed hands with Miss State. It was against the rules for a family member or agent of the recruit to solicit money (pay for play). The NCAA closed this loop hole after the Scam case.

At the barn they denied everything. They never offered money and Cecil never asked for it. Barners say the NCAA investigated and found nothing. The NCAA report said they did not find enough evidence to rule him ineligible because key witnesses would not cooperate.

In this case money changed hands. Maybe not to JF himself but money was paid for his signatures. I expect the weak NCAA to look the other way but what JF did is not allowed. IMO the only way to get busted by the NCAA these days is to turn yourself in.

The NCAA needs Manziel.  Unless A&M turns against him, expect nothing to come of the investigation; NOTHING.

Until a few days ago, the NCAA was selling Manziel jerseys on its web site.  That makes it hard for them to do anything without looking bad.  I think you are right, expect nothing from this.

Now ESPN reporting he signed for two additional brokers. 4,400 items signed.

:o :o
I may have to revise my comments.  :lol2:

No doubt we will destroy A&M in our football game, since Manziel's elbow must be ruined from all the autograph signing.


 :dance:

Here's the link from ESPN:


http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9562044/texas-aggies-qb-johnny-manziel-signed-two-more-sessions-sources


 :wave:

He's so good he signed left handed.

I have to revise my comments as well. He is in deeper hot water than I originally thought.

The NCAA needs to show some backbone and gain back at least a hint of credibility. The NCAA needs credibility right now more than they need JF.

Don't hold your breath, pmull. I don't think there is any credibility left with the NCAA. Emmert and the rest of the Keystone Cops (what's left of them) are the laughing stock of college athletics right now.

I would actually like to see A&M man up and self report. They are looking like a win at all cost program right now, very similar to the barn in 2010.

They will follow the Auburn example, deny everything, demand proof from the NCAA, and threaten a lawsuit against the NCAA.

There's one thing for sure though, the NCAA can put one more nail in their coffin lid if this thing becomes another Keystone Cops case. ;)

I agree.  A&M will not 'man up'.  I had contract work with A&M, and this (above) behavior is the A&M I know.  They are Aub West; stepchildren in their states, and willing to sell their mothers for cash.. 

During my work with them, they did a shoddy job and got caught in it.  Then they lied to me, their university defended their lies, and they sold out (until Senator J. Bennett Johnston took away their funding).  I lost respect for that school 25 years ago. 

So, I fully expect them to accept JFF's behavior, because the money is more important than their pride/class.  A&M is not Alabama.  "Man up' is not in their vocabulary.

I have never disliked A&M. The Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings connection is the main reason I guess. But they are starting to pizz me off. IMO they will show us who they really are in how they handle the JF saga.

I used to be an A&M fan.  I grew up cheering for them, had relatives who went there for school, and enjoyed the Bryant days at A&M.  But the school sold out to the cash cow during the 1980s. 

Of the many things I found odd about the OTL piece on Manziel a week before the allegations broke one of the strangest was the repeated emphasis on the family's wealth.  It all makes sense now.  The family was playing the reporter to try sway public opinion before the scandal broke.  But I'm beginning to think even his parents didn't know the scope of the allegations that were about to come to the surface. 

If there was only one incident in question they might be able to explain it away.  With each new allegation it becomes harder to defend. 

I doubt that Manziel will play another down at A&M. 

You know bamaphil, I am leaning your way also. He had so much promise to represent Texas A&M proudly but him being an adolescent and acting that age too, it is sad that so much press has ruined him. RTR!

 


I think you can pinpoint all of the NCAA's enforcement problems on two previous cases, the Alabama case and Tennessee Coach Bruce Pearl. In both situations, honesty was rewarded with being treated like crap. Alabama threw itself on the "mercy" of the NCAA and got hammered, being called out in a holier-than-thou way by their staff, and their smug satisfaction with their treatment of the Tide was disgusting. Bruce Pearl admitted lying to the NCAA and was rewarded with being fired and ostracized. I actually admire Auburn standing up to the NCAA back when they were investigated under Tuberville, then Cam. Auburn learned from us that honesty was NOT the best policy, but fighting and threatening legal action worked and got the NCAA off their back. Auburn stood up for itself, looking back, I wish we had, too.


 :dog:

Not getting caught does not make it right. I want to win as much as anyone but I want to do it within the rules.

I guess my point is, the NCAA must refine its punishments. In law enforcement, you get people to confess by giving them a break on their charges, that's why they work with you. The NCAA does the exact opposite, so why be honest or confess? We must deal with reality, not some abstract ideal. Let's say the NCAA had taken 8-10 scholarships from Bama, the head coach fired, & maybe a bowl ban, then other programs would not be so hesitant to cover things up. Just an idea.


 :dunno:

MD has hit the nail on the head. Let's not get all puffy and moralistic. In doing so we start to sound like the big 10ers who are on us about our scholly limits and medical redshirts etc. Bama gets the maximal competitive edge possible by taking full advantage of the system as it is developed and maintained by the NCAA. To the extent that the unwritten rule appears to be that you make out better by denying, stonewalling, and exploiting the NCAAs lack of subpeona power, then any smart program would do just that. If you think we wouldn't do the same thing if it was Bama under the gun, you are naive.

The thing that really continues to bother me about this whole thing is the media reaction (at least what I hear on the radio stations up here). It's all about "Oh, he's just 20 years old. What kind of stupid things did we do at 20 years old?" As if being 20 years old gives you immunity from breaking the rules.

On ESPN radio out here today, they were talking about a little known/used rule where it is the players responsibility to stop people/institutions from using the players name/attire/signature to make money.  They said the NCAA had enough to get JM with this rule alone.  And yes the NCAA store was doing this up until this week. 

We won't see the NCAA using this rule.

New look at Kyle Field.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRvXXxECMAAb2ib.jpg:large)

 :clap:

There have been some good opinions by everyone about this and it's anybody's guess as to how this scenario will play out, but this issue may be the straw that breaks the camel's (NCAA) back.

There has been too much talk about establishing a new conference, super conference, and I think the media will be the driving force if this change is to happen. Again it's anybody's guess but I'm getting a strong feeling that this is what some folks(media) have been waiting on to have any leverage or chance in making these changes happen.

The most interesting part is about to happen though, will the NCAA drag their feet on this and force A&M to make a decision to play or not play Manziel.

Don't know whether to call it 'foot dragging' or what, but IMHO NCAA doesn't have enough info to make a decision to suspend JFF, so they will keep quiet, i.e. they won't comment one way or the other.  So the cloud over him will linger.

What aTm will then do is anybody's guess, but, I'll expect they will use the "innocent until proven guilty" approach and say that after all the 'stuff' that's gone on, including their own investigation, nothing  has come out to disqualify JFF, so he'll play.

The fact that A&M hired a legal team means they plan to fight this ("all in").  They'll sink or swim with the lawyers.

The Chancellor was on ESPN today saying that college athletes should be able to charge for autographs just like Olympic athletes.

EXACTLY!!           


 :dog:

Law could be trouble for brokers in Manziel case

If Johnny Manziel did violate NCAA rules by receiving money for signing autographs, a Texas law could put the people who allegedly paid him at risk of being sued by Texas A&M.
Christian Dennie, an attorney with Barlow Garsek & Simon, LLP in Fort Worth, Texas, writes on the firm's website (http://bit.ly/16eiX4I ) that the state of Texas passed legislation in 1987 to make ''a person who violates a rule of a national collegiate athletic association ... liable for damages in an action brought by an institution.''
To be liable, the person must have known or reasonably should have known a rule was violated and the violation must lead to disciplinary action against the student or institution.''


 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/law-could-trouble-brokers-manziel-182907023--ncaaf.html  (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/law-could-trouble-brokers-manziel-182907023--ncaaf.html)

We now have proof that Texas A&M is "all in" and has sold its soul to win at all cost. Welcome to Auburn.


 :facepalm:





http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Aggie-Chancellor-defends-Johnny-Manziel-fires-shots-at-NCAA-081613

Is this the guy that was going to suspend him last year before the coach wrote a letter or was it someone else?

I've kind of sat back and watched this situation unfold. This is JMHO, but I think that Manziel is big time guilty and aTm knows he's big time guilty. They've brought the lawyers in because they know that:

1) The NCAA has egg on their face for selling gear on their web site making the money that JF is not allowed to do.

2) The NCAA is a much weaker organization than it used to be, and is losing steam by the minute.

These 2 facts, in the eyes of aTm, means that the NCAA is ripe for the picking, and it's these attorneys that can go for the NCAA jugular.

If they can't get it done before the Bama game, they will roll the dice and play JF, thinking their chances are pretty good at beating the NCAA.

Like I said, this is just my opinion, but I really feel they are going down this road.

Nicely articulated.

Agreed.  Like others have said, if you play hard-ball with the NCAA, they will back down.  It's really a shame Bama didn't fight back -- poor counselling by certain law school faculty who apparently had never litigated an actual case.

Thanks Coach. What's your take on this?

 I agree with you.  I really doubt anything will happen to JM.  Someone will have to step forward with undeniable evidence for him to be suspended.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/aggies/2013/08/aggies-ad-addresses-manziel-in-email-to-donors/

Texa$ A&M Athletic Director:

"There simply is no blueprint for handling what Johnny and his family have gone through since December. What we have done is surround Johnny with a support network of dedicated staff from the areas of administration, academics, scheduling, compliance, media relations, and even security to assist him during these unprecedented times. ...
Any decisions we make regarding this situation will be based on an analysis of available facts."

Translation: Johnny is the victim here, and A&M will protect him.  :eyeroll: :eyeroll:

I just have to wonder what his life will be like after football. :-\

A&M does not plan to do anything. It's the NCAA's move. I question whether the NCAA has the backbone or competence to perform a thorough investigation.

Stop. Stop. You're breaking my heart about this poor, underprivileged child's life. Life is so hard and unfair.


 :'(









 :facepalm:

I believe that aTm understands that the media is concerned about news, not justice. The JF stories broke in a very slow sports news cycle. They fully understand that with NFL preseason games underway, and the college football season just days away, there will be plenty of distractions from the JF story. Certainly the NCAA, with the glacial pace of its investigations, will be unlikely to put the issue out front again until after the season. They still have not closed the Miami case for Pete's sake. aTm is certainly not going to cause problems for themselves by acting on this now.

Here's another reason to ignore the problems and go ahed and play JF. If the team suspends him and plays it's games, the games will count and the pressure is off the NCAA to act against JF or aTm. If aTm plays JF, that puts the NCAA in the position of having to penalize the whole program, invalidate the games they win this year, investigate who knew what in the AD...... aTm is about to play a variant on the strategy of "easier to get forgiveness than permission". They are going to create a situation in which the NCAA has more incentive not to find against them.

good analysis.  that is exactly what TAM is doing

"Johnny Manziel spotted whooping it up Thursday"

http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/johnny_manziel_spotted_whooping_it_up_thursday_in_college_station_photos/14364068

I agree, Manziel is 20 and should be whooping it up by all means. I hope he is partying every night. #+

He needs to change his moniker. JWF Johnny Whooping Football. Of course after Sept. 14 it will be JGHAB. I'll leave that one to the imagination.  ;)

Bartender, will you please give Mr. Manziel another beer and put it on my tab. Actually, put all of his drinks on my tab since he's not of age to buy it. Just make sure he has a good time. ;)

 :lol:

:lol:

 #+ #+ #+
E-cred for each of you 3 clowns!  Thanks.

Hey is Johnny Manzeil old enough to drink. Reason I ask is sometimes I wonder according to his actions? RTR!

No Sir, that's why I'm buying all of his drinks.  :)

The REC is involved.  :o

Undercover REC agent Jamos on assignment in College Station.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Robert_gold_bartender.jpg/220px-Robert_gold_bartender.jpg)

 :lol:

He took the right job to get close to Johnny.

  :dunno:

"Texas A&M has no plans to sit Johnny Manziel for opener"

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20130824-report-texas-am-has-no-plans-to-sit-johnny-manziel-for-opener.ece

I like their plan. :clap:

The NCAA needs to do something or put a "For Sale" sign on their building. 

Oh my gosh! Is my predicter fixed?

:lol:

It hasn't happened yet but I think it will. :unsure:

I like my chances, J.  :lol2:

I'm thinking I might take him out on the town the night before the game so I've still got a chance. :-X

You are, indeed, a dedicated REC member.  :worship:

I don't want Johnny Pencil to sit.  I want him playing when they play Bama.

I kind of pictured Jamos as a bartender more like this:

(http://www.flairbartending.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tom-cruise-Cocktail-00.jpg)

Looks just like him.  ;)

  ;D

2, I don't have any change but would you send CB a fifty dollar tip for me and I'll pay you when I see you. ;)

 :lol:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9603661/ncaa-investigators-meet-texas-johnny-manziel-6-hours-source

Six hours?  How many different ways are there to ask, "Did you receive any money for signing memorabilia?"

Yes, 6 HOURS.  Can you say, 'Lack of cooperation'?

(http://cdn4.faniq.com/images/photos/photo_large/70/file-22784170-718/Blog-Photo--Texas-AM-Football-Johnny-Manziel-becoming-a-punchline.jpg)

Bill Curry (this morning) re the Manziel meeting with NCAA:

"If you can lie with a straight face, you can beat the system."

Live on Mike & Mike...

Wow, six hours. There must be a lot involved to have discussed something for this lenght of time. Knowing the NCAA and their past investigations, I have the feeling they are stradling a fence and don't know how to or are afraid of how to handle this. :unsure:

Having watched Manziel all summer and his antics, I would say that he probably has a very good chance of beating the system. ;)

Perhaps they put a pile of paperwork on the table: transcripts documenting cell-phone and text messages.  Then they went through each one, asking him what each one meant.  Perhaps most of the time he said, "No memory of that one."

Possibly and that would mean there is a lot of evidence involved.

Before NCAA visit:
Texas A&M Chancellor John Sharp said he is "certain Manziel is innocent".

After NCAA visit (Thursday):
Texas A&M Chancellor John Sharp:  "The American way to presume innocence," he said. "Not all agencies do it that way, but I think most Americans, if you ask them about what justice means, it says we believe you're innocent until something comes along that proves otherwise, and I think we owe Johnny that much anyway."

So do the brokers.  :lol2:

We do owe him something.  He will collect in a few weeks if he is still on the team.  8)

 :clap:

BTW, somebody e-cred SC. I just gave him 2199 and he's hanging there.

Done.
Not sympathy; earned.  :wine glasses:

Bleacher Report: JF "denied taking money".  Duh!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1751810-johnny-manziel-becomes-johnny-bravado-in-denying-taking-money-for-autographs

Travis Haney video: "JF's status will be revealed in next 48 hours".  Sound familiar??

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9604655&categoryid=2378529

This just in:  Sheridan is reporting that JF is the bagman.

:lol2:  Never doubt anything when money is involved.

We should be so lucky.  There would be some signed receipts or something had he transfered the money.

(http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/A_0ZgToCUAE9ifc.jpg-large.jpeg)

It appears that there is no dispute about the fact that Johnny football signed thousands of autographs on several occasions. He apparently did this at the request of 4-6 total strangers, each of whom happen to be sports memorabilia dealers. No one has stepped forward with evidence that this is something JF routinely does, or that he has ever obliged a non-sports-memorabilia-dealer with even a couple hundred autographs.  Why would anyone even suspect that he did this for money? Envy, I suppose.

for the first half of the rice game...really??? :lol:

Bring it Johnny!!!

Yeah, Finebaum mentioned it a few minutes ago. What a joke and slap to the NCAA.



 :lol2:

why don't they just give him some money too ?
7k or so should do it  :lol2:

Is this because of the autograph stuff or some other shenanigans (like staying out all night drinking)?

I bet Johnny parties hard Friday night. He gets an extra 2 hours to sleep.

Apparently, they are suspending him for doing nothing, since no one admits guilt.



 ???

ESPN, Feinbaum, and others reporting that JF will sit for the first half of Rice.

Apparently that was A&M's decision, not a mandate from NCAA.

Stay tuned.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/28/reports-manziel-to-be-suspended-for-first-half-of-opener/

(http://cdn.winningtheweb.com/wp-content/uploads/point-laugh.jpg)

New pic of JF after decision was made.

ESPN now reporting that "this suspension for half a game is the end of the investigation".  Basically, JF was found guilty of allowing 'others to benefit from his actions'.  Other words: Uncle Nate got paid.
 :tinfoil: :tinfoil: :tinfoil:

I AM SHOCKED...SHOCKED THAT THIS INVESTIGATION HAS TURNED OUT THIS WAY!

Actually, I am shocked that JFF was disciplined at all!!

So he will have half a game scrimmage vs. Rice, and then a full game scrimmage vs. Sam Houston St.  He'll be ready for Bama.

Yes, the decision was announced by the director of enforcement, Limp Johnson.

  :lol:

:lol:

 :lol: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Boy, I bet that will teach him!!!  :eyeroll: :eyeroll:

Thank goodness for the NCAA!  :clap: :clap: :clap: :eyeroll:

(http://flapship.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ncaa-football-power-rankings-week-9.jpg)
Everything about this investigation is confusing.

The clock is ticking on the NCAA, you can mark it down. ;)

Well I'm glad we don't have that game on our pickem -- and why Vegas removed the line.

It looks like this punishment is the agreement between TAMU and the NCAA. 

Limp Johnson  :lol:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9609389/johnny-manziel-texas-aggies-suspended-1st-half-season-opener-rice-owls

Is this supension with or without pay?  :dunno:

 :lol:

:lol:

Rather than change the comment and add "FIFY", let me just say:
He might very well walk away after Alabama beats the crap out of A&M, and his fanbase blames him for being out of shape, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlnltVzksg