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Not no, but HELL no! This POS needs to go away and disappear. This guy is a real low-life.




http://www.cbssports.com/#!/mlb/story/15065196/rose-looks-for-second-chance-still-wants-to-manage

Respectfully disagree with you MD. Pete Rose is the all time hit leader and played the game harder than anyone I have ever seen. He has paid his price. He deserves to be in the BHOF.

You know, all he had to do is come clean from the beginning. He would have had some consequences to pay, but I don't think he would have been banned from baseball and the HOF. His constant lying and denying is what cost him everything. The only person lower than him, IMO, is Jim Gray. Can't stand him for trying to highjack the all-star game by hard-nosing Rose in that interview. There's a time & place for everything and that wasn't it.

I understand him being out now, but the first time they let one of those steroid freaks in....Rose better be in right along with them.

I agree NavyChief. Rose was the only man I ever sen that hustled every play to every base whether he was out or not. He didn't show off on a HR, he simply hustled
around the bases and never tried to insult a pitcher. He belongs in the HOF. RTR!

Exactly!  ;)

BINGO!!  Everything I have read about this guy that's not sports-related, is negative and talks about what a worthless individual he is.

I agree with the Marshall on this one.  Anyone who has ever played professional baseball at any level knows that gambling is a "capital offense" and that if you participate in it you are commiting the unpardonable sin of baseball.  If you know the history of baseball and history of Judge "Kennesaw Mountain" Landis you will understand why this rule is so unforgiving.  Rose was a grest ballplayer, perhaps one of the greatest, but like a lot of great and powerful men he thought he was above the law.  In the article he compares what he did to running a stop sign. In my opinion he still doesn't get it.  He is not greater than baseball.

As far the comparison to what Rose did and the current steriod scandal.  There is one very big difference.  Baseball has had a long standing and well understood rule against gambling, even has a loong history of dealing harshly with those who did it.
That is not the case with steriods.

I don't know, I go back and forth on this one. Rose is a scumbag, but I agree with navychief to a point. The only problem is we are only aware of a handful of guys who were juiced. I think the HOF stands a good chance of admitting someone (or already has) that was juiced that we DON'T know about. Rose is a known commodity and has lied for years until he saw an opportunity to "salvage" his reputation by admitting to gambling. I know he is the all-time hits leader and it is a shame to leave him out, but like 2 said, all he had to do was admit it at the beginning and none of this would have happened.

I'm trying to think of someone admitted to the HOF who was probably juiced with roids, but I can't think of anyone off the top of my head. Future candidates who I know weren't would include:

Greg Maddox
Tom Glavine
Dale Murphy
Chipper Jones
Larry Walker (not 100% about him & roids)
Lee Smith

Major League Baseball did not have a comprehensive drug policy until 2005.  Before that they treated steriods like durg useage and required rehabilitation programs.  Comparing that to its long standing and well defined  rules and policy on gambling is apples and oranges.

True. But gambling does not alter your stats and/or acheivements.

True, but gambling has much to do with the integrity of the game. 8)

Two wrongs doesn't make a right, none of them should be considered for the HOF.

Does forgiveness ever come into mind when these guys are called names and are made to look so horrible? I do believe that we loved watching them play if they was on the team we liked, if not, then we hated them, is this correct? RTR!

Rose should be in the HOF. Nothing he did changes the numbers he put up or the passion with which he played.

Would you forgive a child molester? Gambling in baseball is the equivalent, it almost destroyed the game in the 1920's.

Yes I would forgive him, but then he would be prosecuted accorrding to the law. I have been taught that if I don't forgive I can't be forgiven. Yes sir. JMO. RTR!

I can see that. Would you still consider him to be a dirtbag?

I agree he is a dirtbag. He should never be allowed to coach or hold a front office job. However, he is still one of the very best to ever play the game and deserves to be in the HOF.

I have to admit that there has prolly never been another player with the hustle and all-out effort that Pete Rose had. His stats clearly state that he s/b in the HOF. The total lack of character he displayed throughout his whole gambling investigation process is what will keep him out. At least in my lifetime. Maybe down the road, others will be more forgiving and vote him in.

What's keeping him out of the HOF does not have anything to do with his numbers or his hustle, it has to do with the fact that he was rightly and legally BANNED FROM BASEBALL because he commited an act which gets you banned from baseball.

Bro Ricky forgiveness does not mean that there are no consequesnce to bad decisions.

But does the punishment fit the crime. Is there any proof, or even allegations, that PR bet on games in which he was involved. Not saying he should be in HOF, just saying that the door should be reopened for discussion.

I agree Leewillie. I said in my statement about forgiveness that he should also be punished accorrding to the Law. I just don't know how many more years you could get him by calling him a Dirtbag or whatever. If Baseball does not allow him in because of his doing wrong, then so be it but accorrding to his playing days I only say he deserves to be in the HOF. Thanks for checking this out. RTR!

Good discussion guys, this seems to be a topic everyone has an opinion about.

I agree. I also think most people are disappointed in him over the whole affair. If he had not gambled, there's not a soul who wouldn't be happy to see him in the HOF.

Its a pretty jacked up society.  Gambling is a cardinal sin, but sleeping with a new women on every road trip is a norm.

No comparison and totally off the subject. Gambling will destroy any sport if not dealt with in a harsh and firm manner. The integrity of the game has to be protected. Rose has admited to gambling on baseball, what more do you need to know?

What has steroids done for baseball?

MD, I wasn't actually saying that I know for a fact someone has been elected or would be, I only meant that the possibility exists. Please forgive me if I insinuated otherwise.

cbbama:

You raised a fasinating thought. That's why McQuire, Sosa, Clemens, Bonds,and some other big stars of that era won't make it.

Agreed. Believe me, I don't think Rose should be in, either. Unfortunately, to that end, you can't allow the members of the Chicago White Sox team of 1919 in either due to gambling. That means that a fantastic player ("Shoeless" Joe Jackson) will be left out.

I sure hope not, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it did.

A little off track here, but something interesting about Shoeless Joe. There is a statue of him in front of a popular Greenville, SC restaurant. He was from Greenville. Anyway the story goes that when he played early on for the Philadelphia Athletics, I believe, that they were playing a double header. In the first game, he wore blisters on his feet from new shoes. Late in the second game he took his shoes off and batted barefoot. He got on base, I think with a triple, and scored on a sac fly, sliding in with his stocking feet first. Someone in the stands yelled out "Jackson, you shoeless SOB". And that's how he got his nickname.

I enjoyed that 2.  #+ But if we find out you just made that stuff up... ;)

It's on the plaque with the statue.

Like people in South Carolina won't lie to you, or rip you...nevermind.   :-X>:(

 :lol:

Just to clarify, the Chicago Black Sox threw games, there has never been any allegation that Rose threw games. Second, Bart Giammeti was baseball commissioner when Rose was suspended. Giammeti was followed by his "close friend" Faye Vincent, both were ivy league elitist who deplored the work ethic that Rose represented. And of course, no one can challenge what Bart and Faye decreed, it might be considered a hate crime.

Just to clarify, why do you think Rose never fought his banishment once it went to Federal court, because he KNEW how bad the report on his behavior was. I have read several accounts that his gambling was out of control and Rose was terrified of anyone seeing the report. He has now admitted to betting on baseball after lying about it for 15 years. Look at it this way, we all know there is a death penalty for murder in Alabama. All baseball players know there is a death penaty in baseball, it's called gambling.

And how many murderers in AL receive the death penalty? And how many are paroled? How many have their sentence commuted? How do you happen to know why Rose didn't challenge the ruling? How many "murderers" receive a death sentence for 2nd degree murder, or manslaughter?

Bottom line, Rose didn't fix any games, he was one of the all-time great players and he deserves to be in the HOF.

You're right, instead of the death penalty, they get life without parole. Not much different if you think about it. Also, do some readig on the subject, Rose never filed any paperwork once the case was assigned to Federal Court. He knew better.

Never meant to imply that he did, so sorry about the verbage. I guess my point was that Rose is not the only great player not in the HOF due to gambling/game fixing.

I think a lot of the posters are misunderstanding the issue of gambling and sports. You dont have to be throwing a game, cn can't gamble on your own sport, period. I'm sure if Saban started gambling on teams in the PAC 12 or even the Ohio Valley Conference, the NCAA would bury him, deep. Same goes for players.

Rick Neuheisel gambled when he was the coach at Washington. He was fired. He is coaching again now at UCLA. It must not be a life sentence in college football. Im not suggesting Rose should be allowed to coach but I think he deserves to be in the HOF.

He deserves it pmull. You have people that want to  be a judge of character when one day they will meet a judge who they will ask for a 2nd chance. RTR!

Preacher, no need to lay a guilt trip on others who disagree with your opinion.    I really don't thinks God cares whether Pete Rose is in the HOF or not.

Bingo!! Life is not always simple and givng EVERYONE a second chance has nothing to do with God. At that rate, we should give child molesters/killers a 2nd chance and that's stupid.

I thought a guilt trip could only be layed on someone who was guilty. I have to say I am sorry if you are upset with my post. I didn't mean to upset you. I would my opinion is not like everyones elses then I am automatcially wrong. thanks for your interest. RTR!

I should have said "try" to lay a guilt trip.

Maybe God is a Pete Rose fan. Who knows?