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Title: Defense Post by: hscoach on September 08, 2014, 01:45:18 PM I know the Bama fans are use to the tradition of tough defense played at Bama. Are we not being realistic with the "new" HUNH offenses? Should we have more of a bend not break attitude?
Title: Re: Defense Post by: Peewee from Grand Bay on September 08, 2014, 01:58:44 PM I know the Bama fans are use to the tradition of tough defense played at Bama. Are we not being realistic with the "new" HUNH offenses? Should we have more of a bend not break attitude? No I don't think that is the way it needs to be. I still think that our defense should be a shut down one. Now with the HUNH is a lot more difficult to do. What are the key factors that go into stopping the HUNH? First and foremost is to keep them behind the sticks and that can be done by penetration into the backfield and blowing it up before it can get started or not allowing a quick hit pass and a missing a tackle that would have kept it at little or no gain. Second and probably the most difficult is eye discipline. With all of the movement this type of offense has it is very hard to locate and find the ball. Of course there is a lot more as well but I think that these two stand out above the rest. Title: Re: Defense Post by: SUPERCOACH on September 08, 2014, 01:59:32 PM As long as we are winning I'm OK with it.
It will be interesting to watch how this unfolds over the next few years. It would be awesome if CNS evolves the defense to the point where it can shut down the HUNH completely. It is a chess game and I am always anxious to see the next move. We have recruited to shut those guys down so it will be fun to see how it goes in the next couple of years as those young guys develop. Of course we still have the power guys too for when we play LSU. It would be pretty impressive if we could switch out our personnel from game to game to match the opposing O, and then shut them all down. Title: Re: Defense Post by: hscoach on September 08, 2014, 03:08:58 PM If one is really going to shut down the HUNH they must have the following type of players.
1. You have to have DL who can stop the run but also beat the OL in one on one battle when pass rushing. To me this is the most difficult player to find. 2. You have to have who have the ability to play the run as well as pass coverage both man/zone. They must also hit those crossing routes when they come across the middle. 3. You DB's have to be able to play tight man as well as zone. In zone they have to be able to communicate and jump routes that come in their zone. The best help they get is when the DL puts pressure on the QB. You have to have the ability to hid your coverages. 4. You have to be able to tackle in space and not lose contain. 5. You have to have the ability to understand nonverbal communication. Title: Re: Defense Post by: Peewee from Grand Bay on September 08, 2014, 03:35:52 PM If one is really going to shut down the HUNH they must have the following type of players. 1. You have to have DL who can stop the run but also beat the OL in one on one battle when pass rushing. To me this is the most difficult player to find. 2. You have to have who have the ability to play the run as well as pass coverage both man/zone. They must also hit those crossing routes when they come across the middle. 3. You DB's have to be able to play tight man as well as zone. In zone they have to be able to communicate and jump routes that come in their zone. The best help they get is when the DL puts pressure on the QB. You have to have the ability to hide your coverage's. 4. You have to be able to tackle in space and not lose contain. 5. You have to have the ability to understand nonverbal communication. yep that pretty much sums it up. That is also the type of players that we are recruiting. We are not 100% there yet but we are making progress. But we will be in a lot better shape than what were before when some of the young guys can get in there and really make an impact. Title: Re: Defense Post by: McBaman on September 08, 2014, 03:58:42 PM This is a gross oversimplification but here goes... Schematically, the HUNH is a read-option offense. So play the D to take away the edge and force the QB to take the read that is least objectionable to the D. I'd rather have a 4 - 5 yd run than a 10 yd pass. You absolutely cannot give up big pass plays.
That said, everything HScoach said goes into getting this outcome. Still IMHO the best way to stop HUNH is to possess the ball to the extent we did vs. WVA. Title: Re: Defense Post by: KoKoPuf on September 08, 2014, 05:54:01 PM VT against OSU provided a good blueprint for attacking the spread. Penetration by the DE to turn everything inside, LB close off inside lanes with pressure, lots of blitzing by lots of different people, and on third and long play a safety extra deep so he can break to either side to help the corner. I know OSU did not have their QB but VT had I think 9 or 10 sacks. Gotta think Bama has better athletes than VT.
Title: Re: Defense Post by: Catch Prothro on September 08, 2014, 06:12:19 PM VT against OSU provided a good blueprint for attacking the spread. Penetration by the DE to turn everything inside, LB close off inside lanes with pressure, lots of blitzing by lots of different people, and on third and long play a safety extra deep so he can break to either side to help the corner. I know OSU did not have their QB but VT had I think 9 or 10 sacks. Gotta think Bama has better athletes than VT. VT stacked the box because they weren't afraid of OSU's QB. That strategy would fail miserably against a team like Texas A&M, Oregon, or OSU with Braxton Miller as QB. Title: Re: Defense Post by: Marshal Dillon on September 08, 2014, 06:18:49 PM If one is really going to shut down the HUNH they must have the following type of players. 1. You have to have DL who can stop the run but also beat the OL in one on one battle when pass rushing. To me this is the most difficult player to find. 2. You have to have who have the ability to play the run as well as pass coverage both man/zone. They must also hit those crossing routes when they come across the middle. 3. You DB's have to be able to play tight man as well as zone. In zone they have to be able to communicate and jump routes that come in their zone. The best help they get is when the DL puts pressure on the QB. You have to have the ability to hid your coverages. 4. You have to be able to tackle in space and not lose contain. 5. You have to have the ability to understand nonverbal communication. I firmly believe that defense still wins championships. LSU, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, even Auburn won NC's with defense in recent years. :dog: Title: Re: Defense Post by: Bandit on September 08, 2014, 06:21:59 PM VT against OSU provided a good blueprint for attacking the spread. Penetration by the DE to turn everything inside, LB close off inside lanes with pressure, lots of blitzing by lots of different people, and on third and long play a safety extra deep so he can break to either side to help the corner. I know OSU did not have their QB but VT had I think 9 or 10 sacks. Gotta think Bama has better athletes than VT. VT stacked the box because they weren't afraid of OSU's QB. That strategy would fail miserably against a team like Texas A&M, Oregon, or OSU with Braxton Miller as QB. I agree with all, but will add that as our corners become more reliable, the more we will blitz. When we have had shutdown corners, CKS brings the heat often in multiple ways and gets very creative. Lately we haven't had that option and have toned it down a bit. Title: Re: Defense Post by: jtide on September 09, 2014, 09:04:31 AM VT against OSU provided a good blueprint for attacking the spread. Penetration by the DE to turn everything inside, LB close off inside lanes with pressure, lots of blitzing by lots of different people, and on third and long play a safety extra deep so he can break to either side to help the corner. I know OSU did not have their QB but VT had I think 9 or 10 sacks. Gotta think Bama has better athletes than VT. VT stacked the box because they weren't afraid of OSU's QB. That strategy would fail miserably against a team like Texas A&M, Oregon, or OSU with Braxton Miller as QB. I agree with all, but will add that as our corners become more reliable, the more we will blitz. When we have had shutdown corners, CKS brings the heat often in multiple ways and gets very creative. Lately we haven't had that option and have toned it down a bit. This is a great point. I think the LSU-Auburn game last year is a great blueprint for stopping the HUNH. I think you have to take some chances and blitz more than we have been. Title: Re: Defense Post by: hscoach on September 09, 2014, 12:55:36 PM VT against OSU provided a good blueprint for attacking the spread. Penetration by the DE to turn everything inside, LB close off inside lanes with pressure, lots of blitzing by lots of different people, and on third and long play a safety extra deep so he can break to either side to help the corner. I know OSU did not have their QB but VT had I think 9 or 10 sacks. Gotta think Bama has better athletes than VT. VT stacked the box because they weren't afraid of OSU's QB. That strategy would fail miserably against a team like Texas A&M, Oregon, or OSU with Braxton Miller as QB. I agree with all, but will add that as our corners become more reliable, the more we will blitz. When we have had shutdown corners, CKS brings the heat often in multiple ways and gets very creative. Lately we haven't had that option and have toned it down a bit. This is a great point. I think the LSU-Auburn game last year is a great blueprint for stopping the HUNH. I think you have to take some chances and blitz more than we have been. As the season goes on, I think we will see more blitzes. Bama didn't want to show their whole package early. Title: Re: Defense Post by: Catch Prothro on September 09, 2014, 08:16:03 PM as our corners become more reliable, the more we will blitz. When we have had shutdown corners, CKS brings the heat often in multiple ways and gets very creative. Lately we haven't had that option and have toned it down a bit. I agree that the defense has to get more aggressive. What happened to the days of multiple blitz packages, getting to the QB, creating confusion? It seems like Saban had a change of philosophy a few years ago, from aggression to building a brick wall. Brick wall doesn't work against the Huns, you have to attack them on their own ground. But HUNH offenses aren't all alike. TA&M is pass happy, Auburn is more run oriented, based on their QBs. I think Bama could be aggressive against the Barn, but has to be much more cautious against TA&M. Corners are probably good enough to defend against the Barn, Marshall still isn't a huge threat passing. I'm much more worried about the Aggies after watching them shred USCe, and the play we've seen so far from Bama's CBs. Getting EJ and the freshmen involved will help. |