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I've been hearing some rumblings from out West about TA&M making a possible change but I never thought there was that much merit to it. ESPN has a report that says something could be brewing.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851396/texas-governor-says-texas-considering-move-sec

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-aggies/20110810-rick-perry-on-am-to-sec-rumors-conversations-are-being-had_.ece this out of Dallas. The comments are better than the article.

From the comments:


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I hope they bring Choklahoma with them.  I would love to see the SEC expand to 14 teams.  16 would be even more awesome, then we could have our own 4 team tournament in December.  If we brought in 2 teams from the east, then we wouldn't have to split up the existing divisions.  Just add OU and aTm to the west, and add Clemson and ?? ??? to the east.  Who would the other team be?  FSU maybe?  That would be awesome.

Yesterday Finebaum shot down any chance of A&M moving to the SEC. Today he said A&M to the SEC is gaining momentum. He sounded like he knew something. Like Finebaum or not he is well connected.

Naw,,SC FSU ain't coming here it to hard of a conference. The ACC is why my buddy Bobby went there was because he knew he could win all those games. He had a soft season then could be a good Bowl every year. He out smarted the NCAA. lol, RTR!

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Well, they might if Clemson leaves and the conference doesn't find another team to replace them so that they can still have 12 teams and championship game.  I don't think Jimbo is skerd of the SEC (especially not the east).

I believe all of this is bunk - simply a way A&M can manipultate Texas and their TV network.  There is no way A&M divorces Texas, any more thaqn Bama divorces Auburn - simply isn't going toi happen.

Well you may be right. I think money and being seen takes the cake though. BTW, guess I haven't seen you so welcome to CRS. I hope your here for years to come. God Bless! RTR!

You might be right.  It does sound a lot like they are just making some idle threats to jockey for leverage.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEC expand though, so that they steal the limelight away from the PAC 12/Big 10 expansion.

As for divorcing Auburn, I am all for it.  But I think in this case, the "until death do us part" clause will kick in soon when the NCAA is finished with them.  :D

God Bless right back at you!!!

B'ham News writer Jon Solomon wrote this article today:

Texas A&M-SEC marriage feels inevitable
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/08/texas_am_to_the_sec_feels_inev.html

Interesting (and accurate) quote from the article:

This is like a boiling pot if you watch it to long it will never Boil! I would to see TA&M come into the conference. What a great toward Texas recruits we would have and also that TV market.
I see Com. Mike Slive is quiet, flooey, his mind is turning like a big Mack Truck racing downhill. I have believed Coach Sherman wants in the SEC and if he lasts very much longer he will help it along. JMHO. RTR!

What are y'alls thoughts on A&M.
First thought is they are about the same as ARKY, sometimes good sometimes really bad. Never great.

I agree with your Arkansas comparison if you are talking about how competitive their teams are on the field. A&M would bring the Texas TV market and recruiting to the SEC. Arkansas does not have that to offer. Like most things in life, it comes down to how much money a school can bring to the SEC bottom line.

That sounds about right to me.  As pmull says, their potential value comes from the fact that they happen to be in Texas.  But an even bigger potential may be the fact that their leaving would probably doom what is left of the Big 12, which means that Oklahoma might come with them.  This could lead to either a 14 or 16 team SEC super conference, which would be really cool in my opinion.  Especially a 16 team conference with a 4 team playoff.

Of course the other Big 12 schools would probably go some where too.  We could end up with a 16 team Big 10 or a Pac 16 to go with the 16 team SEC.  All pretty cool in my opinion.

SC, I have mixed emotions about a 16 team conference. It sounds good but now would you schedule? What are you thoughts on a regular season schedule for a 16 team conference?

BTW, this is not a test. I'm just having trouble figuring it out.  ???

The problem I see is the SEC picks up tough teams like Oklahoma & Texas A&M but the PAC-10 & Big Ten will pick up weinee teams like Missouri, Kansas, Iowa St., Kansas State, etc.. This makes winning the SEC even harder while the Big Ten and PAC 10 still are mosly cupcakes.


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Well, more teams means watering down the power of the SEC in my view. We took Arkansas and they became the first SEC team beaten in a bowl by Ohio State after 10 or so tries.

I honestly see this as an advantage.  The stronger we can make the SEC relative to the other conferences, the better.  If you win the SEC it will mean even more than it does now.  You should run all over what ever other "champion" you meet in the bowl game.  I also don't think this would force the SEC champ out of the BCS NCG if they have some losses.  If LSU can play in the 12 team conference and get in with 2 losses, you could probably get in with 3 or 4 losses in a 16 team conference.

There could be a couple of years of adjustment where the SEC champ gets snubbed if they have a couple of losses, but eventually after a few bowl seasons of SEC dominance I think people will realize that only 2 or 3 losses in the SEC is a lot stronger record than an undefeated season in one of the other conferences.

On the other hand, if USC runs all over the PAC-16 and is undefeated, and then Nebraska or somebody runs all over the Big-16 and is undefeated, the SEC champ could get snubbed.  We would definitely need to go to a 4 team BCS Championship tournament in order to prevent this.  Maybe you have the PAC-16, Big 16, and new SEC get automatic bids for their champ, then fill the 4th slot with an at large team.

Also, as long as the other conferences are fairly balanced, they will have just as hard of a time making through their season unscathed too.  And then our champ will breeze through the BCS tournament.

It is a lot to think about, and there are a lot of details to make something like this work.  But it is a fun thought experiment in my opinion, especially while we are waiting for kickoff.

I respectfully disagree.  We took Arkansas and USCe in the last expansion.  I would say that both of those teams are probably middle of the pack teams on average, and probably didn't water down the conference.  They have both made it to the championship game.  Contrast those guys to Vanderbilt and Kentucky, for example.

aTm would probably be another middle of the pack team on average.  Oklahoma would probably be in the mix to win their division a lot of years.  Assuming the other two teams are Clemson and FSU, then I think the east would be stronger too.  I think both of those programs are going to be pretty strong in a few years with Dabo and Jimbo at the helm.  I started taking Clemson seriously this past recruiting season.

The schedule would definitely be interesting.  What if we divided them up into 4 divisions?  Then you would only have 3 teams that you have to play every year in your division.  That leaves up to 9 other games that you can use for traditional rivals that you play every year and to rotate through the other teams.  Personally I wouldn't mind if we dropped one of the out of conference games (Ga State or Kent State for example).  Maybe we schedule 1 cupcake and 1 strong out of conference opponent at the beginning of the season, then play 10 conference games.  Maybe we could have contracts in place with one of the other 2 Super Conferences (PAC-16 or Big-16) so that we play each other for that out of conference game.  The Big-16 would probably make the most sense geographically.  So maybe every one of the 16 SEC teams plays one of the teams from the Big 16 in the first or second week of the season.  Of course you would rotate through all of the teams in the other conference, playing each of the teams once every 16 years.  That would be really cool in my opinion.  Of course it adds a little bit of luck to the scheduling... (one year you might get Nebraska, and the next year you might get Indiana).  Of course the Big 16 would have to agree to play 10 conference games too so they would only have one slot open for an early season cupcake.  Imagine the SEC goes 12-4 or 13-3 in those early season games.  The SEC champ would almost certainly get the nod in the BCS pecking order.

OR... maybe instead of rotating through all 16 of the other teams from the Big 16, we determine that game based on how the teams finished the previous year.  All you would have to do is keep the date open, say the second week of the season always, and then you can fill in the match ups in February after all the bowl games.  This would be awesome since it would pit SEC #1 against Big 16 #1 and SEC #16 against Big-16 #16.  This should give you a true measurement of the strengths of each conference.

Hmmm... What if we played these conference challenge games AFTER the conference championship games and use the results of the current season to match up the teams?  Now that would be exciting!  This would pit SEC #1 against Big 16 #1 for what would be in effect a 1st round playoff game.  You wouldn't need the NCAA to agree to a playoff in this case, since the winner of that game would almost ALWAYS go to the BCS NCG.

Now, if we could come up with another 16 team super conference that could do the same thing with the PAC 16, then that would be really cool.  So then we could have the winner of the SEC/Big-16 game play the winner of the PAC-16/XXX16 game, actually using the same seeding system for all 32 SEC/Big-16 teams to match up with there counterparts from out west.

Of course this will never happen, but it seems like it would be very interesting to me.  It is a lot of fun to think about.

All great points but the one thing I can see is how the computer will look at this. Every team in the 16 team conference should be rated in the top 20 almmost. Thos kind of numbers being imputed to a computer would almost be destine to the NCG. How many Fla. Atlantice or Kent States could you have on your schedule? RTR!

Hmmm... another wrinkle.  Rotate through the other conferences for the out of conference challenge.  So the first year we have an SEC/Big-16 challenge, then the next year we have SEC/PAC-16, then finally SEC/XXX16.  This would be very cool and would include the 64 teams that are willing to accept the challenge and play in one of these super conferences.  The independents, like Notre Dame and soon to be Texas, will have to re-think their strategy or be left out in the cold.

Only 1, or maybe 0.  Which is a good thing in my opinion if the other conferences have to do it too.

Some teams will struggle without 8 home games.

Good point.  Perhaps the additional revenue coming into the larger conference could somehow go to offset that.  The TV contracts would get bigger for example, and maybe the Bowl money too.  Of course the increase would have to be large enough to split it with the 4 new teams and still be a net + for the original 12.

Another new aTm to SEC article:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/08/texas-a38m-move-sec-big-12---414822/1

Right about the time the SEC has the college football world begging for mercy and green with envy, someone wants to change the formula???

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I'm fine with leaving things exactly like they are right now.  But the other conferences are scrambling to catch up and even pass us.  If we stand still it makes it easier for them.  I would hate for some other conference to be the first super conference.  We were the first with 12 teams and a championship game.  I think we should be the first with 16 teams.  JMHO.

If they are dead set on changing something in the middle of a 5 NC run, drop 2 teams (the barn and tennessee) and add OU and ATM.

of a new era of college football. As I turned on the TV tonight, Rick Karle stated that FSU and VA Tech had voiced some interest in joining the SEC. There are quite a few teams with interest in the SEC and what does that mean with all of this happening.

Could we be headed toward something that would create a playoff for the national championship? Somehow I get the feeling that there will be other conferences adding more teams and who knows, there may be only 10-12 conferences what all is said and done. If this happened then there would be a chance for a playoff system.

The NCAA needs a change and I feel they don't know which way to go to make college football better. Do you think Slive is going to open a can of worms when the SEC adds more teams, I do. The SEC is the King of the conferences and the others aren't going to let them have it all.

J, either that or the SEC could end up with 48 teams.  :D

Small article from Aggies- Coverage and insight from College Station.

Done deal? TAM to SEC. U of Houston to Big 12.

link (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/aggies/2011/08/aggies-out-uh-in-for-the-big-12/)

Aggies

Coverage and insight from College Station.← Loftin responds to today’s NCAA ruling A&M calls for Monday regents meeting to talk ‘conference alignment’ →
Aggies out, UH in for the Big 12?
Posted on 08/12/2011 by Brent Zwerneman


COLLEGE STATION – Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has told Texas A&M that Texas holds the key to the long-term future of the Big 12, and that the Big 12 would survive without the Aggies, according to an A&M official.

The Big 12 also believes the University of Houston would be a viable candidate to replace the Aggies, the A&M official said. All signs point to the Aggies bolting the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference. The A&M regents are meeting on Aug. 22 and an announcement about the SEC might follow soon after.

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I think the SEC is happy where they are now. However, they are aware of the changing landscape of the major conferences. The SEC needs to stay one step ahead of the competition. It looks like the era of "super conferences" is not too far away.

^^^This^^^  ;)

This is the begging of 4 "Super conf's. It will take a long time. But that's what will happen.

That will lead to the play offs.

News Out of San Antonio!!

A&M calls for Monday regents meeting to talk ‘conference alignment’

link (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/aggies/2011/08/am-calls-for-monday-regents-meeting-to-talk-conference-alignment/)

Posted on 08/12/2011 by Brent Zwerneman
COLLEGE STATION – Texas A&M has called for a board of regents meeting for 3 p.m. Monday to discuss “conference affiliation,” according to an A&M official. The Aggies are expected to declare soon after their intentions of leaving the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference.

Item 15 of the regents agenda states: “Authorization for the President to Take All Actions Relating to Texas A&M University’s Athletic Conference Alignment, The Texas A&M University System.”

An A&M official said earlier Friday that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe had told A&M that the league would survive without the Aggies, and that Texas holds the key to the future of the Big 12. The A&M official also said the Big 12 believes Houston is a viable option to replace the Aggies.

> Unhappy UT fan? Who is gonna vote for Texas to be in BCS after they win against TT, UTEP, UTSA, Houston and Texas State?

From comment section of article:

If Aggies leaves the state of Texas, does anyone miss them? No. Goodbye. This just opens up the slots for UTSA and Texas State to become the Nos. 3 and 4 schools in the state. May the Lord have mercy on Alabama fans having to look at male cheerleaders and a band that can only march in squares.

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You might want to keep an eye peeled for snipers in the clocktower. Logistically/geographically ridiculous. A five hour drive from Baton Rouge if you hit the Houston traffic just right.

Rick Karle is an idiot.

Not much to do at College Station. A 5 hr. road trip will be like a Disney World ride for them.

I would like to speak of protectionism, isolationism, and comparitive advantage but it might offend someone's sensibilities. :-X

Not so fast.

Florida State University President Eric Barron said Friday he's heard the rumors that the Seminoles are moving to the Southeastern Conference and said that's all they are at the moment - rumors.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/12/florida-state-sec.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a6&eref=sihp

SEC presidents reportedly to meet Sunday according to this aTm site:  http://v4.texags.com/Stories/2635

I think the Longhorn Network was the straw that broke the camels back for A&M. Of course, everyone thought Notre Dame being on NBC every week would help them in recruiting and that hit a brick wall with the awful play of ND over the past years.

Notre who?

This morning it's looking like TAMU is a strong possibility and FSU is now on the table for consideration.  The main problem with FSU is their recent recruiting success.  As long as they are taking recruits and are not on our schedule, who cares!  But now, if they're in the SEC, it's  :o :o .

LOL I'm not afraid of FSU. Does Clemson scare you, too? The ACC seems real tough (preseason hype) until they have to actually play a game.

Not afraid of Clemson.  But if we lose recruits, I'd rather lose them to Hawaii than LSU. 

??? Why would we lose recruits to Hawaii? ANY team we add to SEC is going to see a elevation in recruiting (except maybe Hawaii :eye roll:), but strengthening the conference beyond reproach seems to be Slive's premise.

Well, they can't add TAMU unless they add another team to make the divisions even. I would rather see Clemson in the SEC than FSU. Dabo is one of us and I'd rather see him reap the benefits.

That dame.

(http://thesportsunion.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/notre-dame-cheerleader.jpg)

You mean this one, OT?  8)

Hyperbole.  Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

She might be advertising as a great weekend party girl.  Marriage, not so much.

She might just be dislexic.

Before it's all said & done, the Big 12 teams could very well dissolve into the other conferences. There's a lot of dissension there. But what happens to Texas? I guess they and Notre Dame can have their own 2 team conference.

Yep, they can call it the WC-2.  WC = Who Cares?

Good luck to Texas being considered for another BCS NCG any time soon if the conference dissolves over their little network deal and they are forced to play a schedule full of Houstons.

I would not be surprised to see 16 teams in the SEC after the dust is settled.  I would prefer the SEC stay the way it is.  It is a well oiled machine at this point, cranking out national champions.  But the PAC-10 was really close to becoming the PAC-16 last year, so I figure the SEC will lead the way and become the first super conference.

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I think you're prolly right about the 16 teams. Who do you think the 4 team expansion would involve? I'd say the most logical would be TAMU, FSU, Clemson and maybe Miami or Va. Tech.

I was digging for info on this last night.  I saw an article where Va Tech said they would respectfully decline if offered.  Smart move by them.  I guess they are still reeling from that Kickoff Classic.

I saw another article where FSU did the non-denial denial.  Something like "there has been no official offer to join the SEC".  But then it said there have been internal discussions within FSU.

I saw another article where 8 of the remaining Big12 schools where saying they were committed to staying in the league if A&M leaves.  However OU was "no comment".

I saw another article from a South Carolina paper where they where speculating that Clemson would be one of the teams.  They were all giddy about it in the article, but I don't remember anything other than speculation from the author.  But I think Clemson would fall all over itself to join, and they probably make the most sense from a geographical point of view (well throw FSU in to that group too).

I've seen several articles indicating that the SEC presidents were having an emergency meeting sometime this weekend.  For those who don't know this is a required step in order to expand.  The bylaws require a 3/4s majority vote to extend any offer for another school to join.  There has been speculation that FSU or school X couldn't possibly join because their in state rival would not allow it.  This simply is not true.  If at least 9 of the other 12 schools vote for it there is nothing they can do about it.  Are they going to get mad over it and leave the SEC as threat to get their way?  Of course not.  They will just have to go along with it.

The Texas legislature has scheduled a hearing to try to force A&M to stay.  To counter this, the A&M regents moved there meeting up 1 week to this Monday so they can be out in front of the legislature.

Chris Lowe said on ESPNU last night that he expects A&M to play in the SEC in 2012.

OK, based on all of that information, I am going to speculate that there will be 4 teams.  Those 4 teams will most likely be A&M, Oklahoma, FSU, and Clemson.  While I would prefer to keep things the way they are, I would also be excited if the conference added those schools.  I have no idea how long this will take, but my guess is that it will move quickly once the first domino falls.  Everybody was kind of in a panic last year when the PAC-16 was in the works.  I don't think any of these schools would walk away from the opportunity, knowing that once A&M goes to the SEC a 16 team super conference is inevitable.  JMO.

It should make for some interesting news to keep us busy for 3 more weeks.

It will be interesting to see how it unfolds, but I really would prefer the SEC to keep the 12 current teams.

Don't forget about Missouri, I think they want out of the Big 12. I'm guessing that two teams from the Big 12 come to the SEC first and whos to say what will happen to Oklahoma and Okie State when the ball gets to rolling.

I agree with some of the above statements in liking the way the SEC is but let's face it, something has got to change or college football is in trouble. If there are going to be major changes then the SEC needs to be the frontrunner and get who they want, not what's left.

Absolutely agree. I am not huge supporter of expansion myself, but if it is going to happen eventually it is best that the SEC gets out in front has first pick of those programs that could help the conference get stronger and not just add teams to be adding teams.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6857085/sec-high-demand-texas-florida-state-talk-simmers

On the bottom of the screen on ESPN it also said Mizz. Clemson, and FSU is a possibility. RTR!

I just don't think super conferences are the way to go. It all turns into a situation of greed IMO. If Texas is getting the lion's share of the revenue in the Big 12, then that tells me that the other teams aren't that great of a draw. If that's true, how will those teams jumping conferences benefit the SEC?

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Texas-AM-leaving-Big-12-conference-to-join-SEC-081311

According to a source confirming to ESPN.

"Also Clemson, FSU & Missouri likely to join."

There will be so many questions about this. It will get huge about positives and negatives. We certainly will be discussing this for weeks to come. I believe we are going to a 16 team conference. RTR!

Since everything seems to be dollar driven Missouri would be a good choice. They bring the St Louis and Kansas City market. I think VA Tech will get a look as well with the VA market.

Strickly football related I would prefer A&M, Oklahoma, FL St and Miami/Clemson.

Appears that the wheels are in motion toward a Super Conference. TAMU and Mizzou in the west, FSU and Clemson in the east.

Exactly what I was thinking. Money, money, money. RTR!

ESPN running on their streamer that according to a Missouri official, they will not be joining the SEC.

link (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6859115/texas-aggies-intend-join-sec-school-official-says)

Texas A&M intent on bolting for SEC - ESPN

Texas A&M intends to move from the Big 12 to the Southeastern Conference, where they hope to begin play in 2012, school officials have said.

The official told The Times that Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin called SEC commissioner Mike Slive three weeks ago and said the Aggies regretted not leaving the Big 12 for the SEC last summer. A week later, Slive and SEC lawyers met with A&M officials, when the league requested that the school work out the possible legal ramifications surrounding its contract with the Big 12, the report said.

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Didnt we do this last year?

Deja vu part deux.

We don't need any part of Miami, they have the worst fans in football and the worst place to go to.

Dude, it's Stoops!

:)

Sorry, had to do it.  Who wants to bet it will be Oklahoma instead of Missouri?

I got it, hence the eye roll.

I'm gonna be on the 'why fix what ain't broken' team. I think 2 agrees, and at one time SC was on board. They'll have to show me in black and white how revenues will increase great enough to make it worth screwing with perfection, let alone tradition.

Do we have two threads on this going so each side can have one. Good idea. It'll keep the sensitive posters from getting hurt. RTR

I would prefer to leave things the way they are.  But last summer made me realize that there will be a 16 team conference soon, like it or not.  The SEC is so far out ahead of the other conferences, getting to 16 teams is the only way they can compete.  As others have said, it is far better for the SEC to be the first one to do it.  Then they are back to playing catch up again, but even further behind and with fewer good teams to pick from to get their league to 16.

A&M really isn't a big prize to help the SEC, they are simply the first domino to set off the chain reaction.  Once they are officially moving, my guess is we can probably take our pick from among many interested schools for the other 3 spots.  I think FSU and Clemson would both be good teams to add.  They are both programs on the rise (IMO) and are within the existing geographic region.  A&M is a little too far away, but they are the ones who are ready to start the ball rolling.  I'm not sure who I would want for the 4th team.  I think OU would be the strongest, but they are really too far away also.  I really can't think of another team that would be good that is also within the current region though.

So I guess I am rooting for A&M, OU, FSU, and Clemson.  I would love to see an SEC network come out of this deal once the teams are set, which I think would help the entire conference.

Right now the SEC dominates the BCS NCG.  A lot of this success has to do with the gauntlet that the SEC champ has to run in order to make it to that game.  Imagine how much more dominating we will be if we have to win a 16 team conference.  You might as well give the SEC champ an automatic bid to the BCS NCG and let them play whatever sacrificial lamb looks the best that year.  It really is that way right now, but with the PAC-12 and now the BIG-10 making their moves, they might be able to close the gap within a few years, especially if one of those guys goes to 16 teams.

Another thing to ponder... what if the PAC-16 had been born last year, and they added Texas, OU, and a couple of other decent teams from the BIG-12.  That conference champion would automatically have more leverage with the media and BCS, along with a lot more buzz, than the SEC champ.  Imagine the BIG-10 went to 16 teams too.  That might make it hard for the SEC to even get considered for the BCS NCG, even if they have a great year.

I'm rambling, I know, but it is a lot to think about.  This is huge news and will change the face of college football as we know it.  Just as that first SEC Championship game between Bama and Florida did way back almost 20 years ago.  The first super conference will likely dominate the next 20 years.

RollBamaRoll has an interesting view of expansion.


Some Cold Water on Conference Expansion

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/8/13/2361279/some-cold-water-on-conference-expansion

I think there might be 3 or 4 but some of them may have dropped down the page.  Should we merge them?  What say ye?

lol

I vote merge.

This guy is making me look like a genius.

IMO, bigger isn't necessarily better. Having said that, I think the conference will go to 16 teams as well, because the perception of "bigger is better" prevails in the mindset of some AD's and most league officials. I really don't think a conference needs more than 12 teams. With 12, the team schedules are balanced and gives everyone room for good OOC scheduling.

There is too much emphasis on money. I think that revenue may actually be spread thin by adding more teams, if the interest in those teams is not what is to be expected. If Texas is carrying the Big 12 in it's back, as it appears to be, the same thing can happen with the SEC. The Alabamas, LSUs and Floridas of the SEC may need to stock up on Doan's pills.

I like the 12 team conference, but there is little doubt in my mind that it's going to 16, but at what cost?

Agreed. I only started the other thread because at the time it was breaking news and I wanted everyone to see it. It s/b merged.

what other thread?

I haz the confuzez. I thought I was on the "Is this the beginning......" thread. Anyway, merging is good.

Am I making you exasperated?  The woman says I sometimes do that. :-\

Lots of errors in the article in my opinion.  For one, adding only 2 new teams from the west would not require 2 existing west teams to move to the east.  The new conference would have 14 teams, 7 in each division, so only 1 team would have to move.  I say the barn since they are already in GA any way.

Secondly, this whole notion that you can't add a second team from the same state as an existing team is in error in my opinion, or at least it should be.  Half of the current conference already has an in-state rival.  Are you telling me that the recruit rich state of Florida can't handle 2 SEC teams, when Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have 2 teams each.  You only need 9 of the 12 to vote for inviting a new school for it to pass.  So, for example, if they decided to add ONLY 1 team from the East to go with A&M to the west, every team will vote for it EXCEPT perhaps the in state rival.  For example, if that team were say FSU, don't you think USCe would be all over that?  Yes, Yes, Yes, let's add FSU to the east (NOT Clemson).  The same thing would happen if you decided to added 2 teams from the east actually.  If those 2 teams were say, FSU and Clemson, then all the schools except perhaps Florida and USCe would vote for it.  Georgia would be all for it, for example, since it would mean that Ga Tech would NOT be one of the new teams.  That still gives you 10 votes.

Finally, I have seen the 30-40% chance that A&M won't happen quote.  HELLO?  That sounds like a 60-70% chance that it WILL happen.

The bottom line is that I think this guy is in the "don't mess with perfection" camp, and it appears that he has his head in the sand and is hoping that it just all goes away.  No offense to him.  He is right that it is not a done deal as of RIGHT NOW, but this is moving very quickly.

I have no idea what is going to happen.  But it is undeniable that SOMETHING is going on with A&M.  And if that domino falls, the time table will accelerate rapidly on filling the other 1 to 3 spots, even if no one is "officially" in negotiations right now like A&M.  JMHO

Good point on the possibility of spreading the revenue thin.  But, you have to remember we don't need to bring in heavyweights like Texas to keep it at the current level.  We only need to bring in schools that can match the league average for things to stay basically the same.  We have Alabama, LSU, Florida, etc. but we also have Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.  As long as these teams are better than the league average (whatever that is), it will be a net win for the other schools.  I think FSU is probably better than the league average.  A&M probably is too.  Clemson is probably about average, maybe slightly lower (have no idea).  I'm guessing OU is above average.

So it probably would mean more money.  I am certain that they will examine that closely since this whole deal really is about the money.

No, not at all.  I'm just busy trying to keep up with all of this.  I think I will go ahead and do the merge.

The other "main" one is titled "is this the beginning".  I think there have been a few over the last several days as the story has developed.

OK, I think I have merged all the recent ones now.

And you would think that it would at least be the league average. One thing that pops into my mind is how far fans will have to travel to road games and how it will affect attendance with games such as Vanderbilt/TAMU or Missouri/Clemson. Just things that make you go hmmm.......

Good thoughts, 2Stater. I vote to keep the club exclusive.

Those road games will be tough for sure.  It seems like it would make it almost impossible for the SEC champ to be undefeated by the end of the season.

Even if the PAC12 and Big10 each added 4 teams?  There would be 8 fewer teams to pick from if the SEC decided to play catch up down the road.

Can the ones that don't go along with the group start a new one?

Make all the threads you want.  Just keep the political ones in the President's Mansion.  :)

I'm sure Ball State, Akron, Idaho and William & Mary would still be available.  :D

Maybe we can steal Georgia Tech back.

              :lol:

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I think David Letterman went to Ball State.  There is no way we can let those big libs in here.  HTH.

Too late, we already sent them to a watery grave.

The lyrics say "send them." Somebody should tip off the Million Dollar Band.

Not bad. They would prolly do a better job of stealing Georgia and Auburn's recruits if they were in the SEC. Let's send 'em an invite.

Didn't you say something about the President's Mansion?

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

They're skerd.  They still remember that Kickoff Classic beat down.

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I was just checking to see if anyone was paying attention.

I making a wild guess. I think FL ST will be the first option. I don't think it will be Miami, GA Tech or Clemson. I think the 14th team will be an east team to not cause realignment issues.

I agree with you, pmull. TAMU and then FSU. Would love to see it hold at 14 (since my 12 is apparently out of the question), but I'm sure 2 more will follow. I think Clemson will be 3rd.

This order sounds right to me.  Then they might be able to coax OU or some other big school for the last spot.

Hmmm.... If we took a school from the Big10, wouldn't that fix their little overcheating red wagon?  I know that won't happen, but it is funny to think about.  They would have to cancel their championship game for 2012 if they couldn't find somebody ASAP to fill the 12th spot.  And anybody that could fill that spot on a moment's notice is probably not a very desirable school.

In most cases doing a complete overhaul or change in a big business is never well liked in the beginning. Until I can see the format and understand the pros and cons of the change I don't have a like or dislike opinion.

I do think the format for the National Championship that is being used today is not the best way, a playoff system is the best way. There is no way a fair playoff system can be derived from the way conferences are set up now. There are too many conferences and whose to say what teams are the best from each conference without a conference playoff and only a few have that.

The big question concerning going to bigger conferences and having a playoff system is how do you set up the number of games in regular season play (12-13 games) and still have a playoff and bowl games.

I'm willing to listen to anything that will take away from the polls and a computer deciding who should be playing for the National Championship.

I think Missouri is a natural for the Big 10.

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I can remember that I did not like the idea of adding USC and Arkansas all those years ago.  I thought they were perennial weaklings.  I didn't want to change the existing round robin schedule format.  But all these years later both teams have made it to the championship game, which is more than we can say for some of the original schools.  And in hindsight it was clearly the best move ever made by a conference.

I guess the same argument about average revenue applies to average team strength.  As long as the teams are at least as good as the average SEC team now then we will be making the conference stronger overall.

Yes, good point.  I'm surprised they didn't go there already.

Wasn't there a push by either the Big 10 or Missouri last year to get them?

Not to my knowledge. They got Penn St a few years ago. They targeted Nebraska as # 12 and got them. You have to give them credit. Those are two big time programs.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D) WV?

I remember some discussion about Mo. in the Big 10. May have just been rumors.

I remember it too, and it seems like they wanted to go.  At that point there was a lot of speculation that the Big12 would dissolve and some schools might be homeless.

That's right. You are correct. I remember that now. In fact, I remember that at one point, it was a done deal supposedly.

We should add Harvard and Yale. Our atletics speak for themselves and the Ivy league additions would give us a BCS academic NC to boot.

Snerk: We could "Lampoon" the barn.

LOL --the Crimsons would get a kick out of the barn.

No can do.  We can have more than one school in a state, but we can only have one crimson.

I don't think we would be willing to lower our standards. I'm not taking academics. They are a bunch of liberal yahoos.

Although I am running the risk of hurting the feelings of some on this board, I think we could BEAT some sense into them. And as to Harvard calling themselves Crimsons, as it stands athletically, most people would just think that's cute.

           :lol:

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Huntsville Times has a new article out on expansion.

Texas A&M's potential move to SEC coupled with Pac-12 and Big Ten playoff interest make this a seismic weekend in college football
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/08/texas_ams_potential_move_to_se.html

I think they (Pac10/12 & Big 10/12) just want tomake it more difficult for the SEC. We have a TOUGH regular season "row to hoe", a SECCG, and then a BCSNCG. They have a comparitively easy regular season, no conf. championship game (as yet), and then the BCSNCG if they are lucky. Extending the season is to their advantage, not ours.

COLLEGE STATION —

The Aggie War Hymn is nearly a century old, but the lyrics “Goodbye to Texas University, so long to the orange and the white” today resonate more timely than ever.

link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texasam/7695423.html)

You guys are correct about Missouri and the Big 10 and I thought it was a lock for them to go with Nebraska but I'm not too sure the Big 10 wanted them. I thought it could have been because it would have left the Big 10 with an odd number but that shouldn't have mattered because their conference isn't split. Some of those Midwestern states kinda look down on the Mizzos a little, maybe the Big 10 didn't think that were high enough class for their conference.

I think Missouri has a lot to offer. Their sports programs are competitive, on par with say Arkansas. What they bring is the St Louis and Kansas City TV markets.

I agree, couldn't understand why the Big 10 turned their nose up to them. I think Missouri could have given the Big 10 more than Penn St has given.

Interesting.  I really don't know enough about Missouri to have an informed opinion.  Middle of the pack teams with big TV markets might be the best option.

Didn't they win the Big 12 North 3 or 4 years ago?  Is that where Chase Daniel played?

Almost everyone in Missouri lives in Kansas City or St. Louis.

Missouri reminds me of Ole Miss. They have one really good year, then some average years, and some bad years. Very middle-of-the-road. I wonder if Houston Nutt ends up there.

 :o

They are an upper middle of the pack football team in the Big 12. They are very good at basketball. I'm not sure about the other sports.

So the west would get A&M and Missouri, while the east would get FSU and Clemson.  That should bring a little more balance to the divisions.  FSU might win the east their first year in the conference with Jimbo in charge and another year of recruiting.

OK, I'm convinced.  I think I will pull for Missouri over Oklahoma now.

FSU had a chance last time and they dodged us. Said they wanted to play in a basketball conference. I think they are sissy's (I wanted to use another name but is not appropriate for this board).

Well they can't use that basketball excuse this time:

Final Four:  SEC 1 team - ACC 0 teams
Elite Eight:  SEC 2 teams  - ACC 1 team  One of the SEC teams eliminated the ACC team to advance to the final four.

I think Bobby Bowden had a lot to do with that refusal, he would have never beaten the Bears record if they were in the SEC.

My feelings are hurt.

The great orator weighs in:

LSU's Miles: 'Great advantages' to Texas A&M joining SEC (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/08/lsu-miles-advantages-texas-am-sec/1)

Another new article:

This one had an interesting tidbit that I have not seen:  http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-08-13/report-texas-ams-move-to-sec-a-done-deal-missouri-clemson-florida-state

This echos my prediction (guess) from earlier today that if expansion happens it will be A&M and VA Tech.

Maybe... but I've seen multiple reports where Va Tech wants none of it.

"I certainly understand the want to be in this league," Les Miles.

 8)

If I'm right it should be worth an e-cred or two. If I'm wrong who cares anyway.

I agree.

Va Tech wants nothing of having to play SEC teams like Georgia, UT, Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, & others on a regular basis. Not when they can play such football powers as NC State, UNC, Maryland, Duke, & Georgia Tech. Basically, they have to worry about 2 teams, Clemson (maybe and that's a big maybe), and FSU.

None of the other schools will admit to considering a jump to the SEC. If it doesn't happen it will look real bad for the ACC or whatever conference they are affiliated.. So they'll consider their options in private, all the while saying they are happy where they are.

The only time a school may indicate they are considering a move is, as in the case of A&M, showing the BigXII that they are disgruntled.

It was announced on ESPN Sports Center this morning that they have received word from reliable sources that TA&M had agreed to move to the SEC and would it be announced tomorrow. I didn't find any link on ESPN to back this up though and we all know about reliable sources.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-08-12/super-sizing-mass-expansion-of-top-conferences-on-horizon?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl5|sec1_lnk1|86177

Here's the latest. According to this article, the SEC will not go beyond 14 teams. The potentials in conference shake-ups could be mind boggling.

I still think the 14th team will be VA Tech. Missouri is a Big 10 team, Clemsom is the barn with a lake, Louisville don't interest me and NC St is about the 3rd best team in their own state.

If it's VT, I'll e-cred ya til you get 10 (though it may take a while at 1 per hour  :-\).

I just wonder if Beamer had rather stay put and be at the top of his conference or move and be a 5th or 6th place team (or worse) in the SEC.

FIFY, J.  :D

+1  :lol:

This is about money, not football IMO. I remember Frank Broyles who was AD at Arkansas when they left the SWC to move to the SEC. He said they were giving up 75 years of friendships but this is a financial decision. This is about more than football, it is the whole athletic program.

+100 if you are right pmull.  That will put you back on top ahead of Jesse's dad.

Wow! What if I'm wrong?  :-[

The girl went to UT (Texas), and upon hearing the news about A&M she said "they're such losers".

They have a small version of the Bama/barn thing going on. A&M is the barn.

-0, since you are clearly making an educated guess just like the rest of us and not claiming to have an inside source who knows the commissioner or any such nonsense.  In fact, let's make this a contest.  +100 for whoever gets it right.  -0 if you are wrong and made it clear it was just a guess.  -100 if you claim to have an inside source and you get it wrong.

Guessing closes once A&M is officially announced as in or out.  However the results may not be known for a while if they are in and they don't have the other team(s) yet.

You can change your guess if you want, your final guess of record will be whatever you posted last once we get official word on A&M.

Any thoughts, rules tweaks, or other suggestions?

UT huh?  Interesting.  Did you guys know each other back when we played them in Pasadena?

Since I have VA Tech can someone else pick them too or are they off the board?

I suppose we should allow multiple people to pick the same schools, since there are only a handful of realistic choices.  Otherwise we will quickly run out of options.  Maybe we give the first the full 100 and the others 75 or something.  What do you guys think?

pmull, have you seen this quote:


http://hamptonroads.com/2011/08/sec-expansion-rumors-include-hokies

OK, I have been studying this some more this morning and I am ready to make my guess.  I might change it later, but here it is for now:

Texas A&M and FSU

At some point later, once everybody sees the writing on the wall and this has been officially announced or becomes on almost certainty, other schools will scramble to get included.  Initially it will only be 14 teams, but shortly after that I think it will go to 16, probably before a single game is played in the 14 team league.

The next 2 teams will be:

Oklahoma and Va Tech.

Once the Big 12 falls apart, and the ACC will be 1 team short of having what they need for a championship game, I think both of these schools will be lobbying to join.

Now that would be a super conference indeed.

We'll see.  :P

I am seeing internet chatter that the vote is in and it was unanimous to add A&M.  Who knows if it is true.  I'm sure aTm has a kingpin of their own.

My picks are of course my own fancy:
TA&M and Clemson
then later after the money looks even better:
Miami and Texas Tech
We shall see of curse. RTR!

The plot thickens:


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15437201/right-or-not-aggies-walking-into-sec-buzz-saw

I agree with you Preacher. After TAMU, I think Clemson will come next. I at first thought FSU, but the Clemson/ USCe rivalry will be more intense if both are in the SEC. I officially say Clemson after TAMU.

 #+ hey 2stater you get an e-creddie for that one agreeing with me.  ;D, I look at who will be left and have chances to win the ACC and Big 12 every year, that puts them in the BCS bowl so that where I based my picks. RTR!

Back at ya, Preacher. Clemson!, Clemson!, Clemson!............

The rivalry aspect of it is appealing.  And lawzoo just said that Spurrier is for it.  So you guys might be right.

Think about the East having a rivalry of Ga./USCe and GA/Clem plus USCe/Clem in one division. Money and more Money. Just what the ol ball coach likes. RTR!

Joe Schad Tweet:  Click here for link (http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe)

I may be completely wrong, but I think Clemson is the best fit, geographically as well as competitively. USCe fans may disagree (sorry Lawzoo), but I think they they will be a great addition to the SEC.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vw06JbMg0BM/Tg8u-yqJ1DI/AAAAAAAAu3s/j1b9OM4o-aA/s400/1_62_scooby_doo.jpg)

Hnnuhh?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open

That's amazing! I thought that it was a done deal ? The only question(s) were who else and how many?

Fantastic ! #+

I'm good with it too. So in 24 hours, the talk has gone from 16 teams to 14 and now no change. Hope it stays that way.

I was "this close" to saying there wouldn't be an expansion right now, but it seemed so inevitable.

Doesn't A&M look pretty stupid now?  I can't imagine they would go out on a limb like that without some sort of back door assurances that it would work out.  This could just be some positioning by the SEC so that they don't get caught up in the fighting between Texas and A&M, with an "unofficial" assurance that they will be accepted if they leave the Big 12.  I think last year the school's officially left and then later that day they were officially invited to the new conference, but I could be wrong.  I think the order is important.

I've got a feeling they did, through maybe a straw poll. But when it came down to crunch time, some schools reconsidered.

'Em Aggies will take the "Red headed step-child" to a whole new level. Talk about locker room posting material........ :P

 :lol:  #+

Hmmm.... Monday is in the future.  :D

I won't call this a done deal just yet.  If the A&M board meeting on Monday votes to give the president authorization to change conferences, then this thing is still a possibility.  The SEC wants to make it clear to everyone (i.e. the lawyers) that they did not seek out to bust up the Big 12, but A&M left on their own.  They can't vote to extend an offer to a school that has not officially applied yet, I don't think.

On a related note, they are having some pretty big meltdowns on the Aggie boards.  :)  The "sips" were all behind this.  Sound familiar?

I agree with you SC. This may not be over. I prefer to stay at 12 teams. However, if the Big 12 goes nuts in the next few days we could pick up A&M and Oklahoma and not have any blood on our hands. If that happens we will need east teams. I still like VA Tech from the east along with FSU. Clemson brings nothing to the table. They are an OK program but we already have the SC market with USCe.

I think we are in good shape as a 12 team conference but we are set up to move fast if other conferences try to make a move.

Latest tweet from the Pete Thamel of the NY Times:  Click here for link (http://twitter.com/#!/petethamelnyt)

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Texas_AM_President__127689318.html

SC, we all may be having to unload e-creds on you if this pans out.  :D

Guys, I have been sifting through this stuff for 3 days now trying to find as much reliable info as I can possibly get my hands on.  Whether you like it or not, this will be a huge change for college football if it happens.  Here is the latest from the Arkansas chancellor who was at the SEC meeting:


Read more (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/14/sec.expansion.ap/index.html#ixzz1V2kQhDJY)

http://www.dailygamecock.com/news/item/1651-pastides-no-university-has-applied-for-sec-membership

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

Here is a great article from a respectable, unbiased source (Sports Illustrated):  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/08/14/texas.am.sec/

Remember, ESPN has 300 million invested in the Longhorn network, so I don't trust them to report on this without spinning things in their favor.

 :lol:

According to Cecil Hurt expansion is delayed, not dead.


http://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1251872

A Texas fan had to put this attachment together. It is pretty funny. Check out the Ole Miss President.

****Language Warning****


http://prevailandride.blogspot.com/2011/08/cfb-offseason-in-ms-paint-dateline-aggy.html

From what I've read and heard on this, the SEC has to get all of the legal and conference jargon established before adding anyone, and from what they said there is a lot of it.

Bwaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Per the link below it is being stated that the TAM merge will happen in 3 weeks. Just one more opinion I guess.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/baCM2

I still stand by my choices of who makes the steps into the SEC. This is going to be fun to watch. RTR!

Finebaum was saying something will happen in 21 days or less. I still think we get FSU, too.

They're a likely choice of the SEC.

On Finebaum today Gary Danielson was high on FSU and Oklahoma.

PF knows more than he is letting on right now. Commissioner Slive and his wife are personal friends of PF and Linda.

This will be a 3 ring circus for at least 3 weeks.

PF is very well connected.

Here's a story from Cecil Hurt on this:


It was no surprise the august Dr. Bernard Machen, president of the University of Florida, came out of a Sunday morning session with the other CEO's of Southeastern Conference schools and issued a statement composed in equal parts of hefty words and elusive meaning.




http://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1251872

I liked that, thanks.

"Aggies get to spend another year in a conference that they'd just as soon leave, about as happy as Nick Saban at a year-long press conference."

+1  :lol:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/16/big-east-big-12-acc-realignment.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc

Big East commish wants to meet with peers in Big 12 and ACC

Big East Commissioner John Marinatto says he has been in constant contact with Dan Beebe of the Big 12 and John Swofford of the Atlantic Coast Conference in recent days and has suggested the three meet to discuss conference realignment.

He is scrambling to try and form an alliance with the left overs once the SEC, Big Ten, and PAC-12 are finished taking all of the decent teams.  Or maybe strike first and form a super duper conference to entice the decent teams to stay put.

A super duper conference trumpts a mere super conference I suppose.  ;D

Is a super duper conference the same as a big-o conference?

I guess it depends on who is in it.  The Big East contributes nothing.  The ACC... maybe 4 decent teams.  The Big 12 minus 3... 2, maybe 3.  So it would be about 6 or 7 good teams, and 20 or 30 little sisters.  But if they wait too long, they will be left with ONLY the 20 or 30 little sisters.

I think this whole process is about to speed up tremendously.  Hopefully the SEC has already been talking to different schools through the back channel so that we have a head start.  I can't believe any legitimate school would join the little sisters and walk away from the possibility of joining the SEC.

I still think the schools not talking are the ones that are the loudest. I think Clemson and Texas Tech will be among the movers. RTR!

I agree that the Big East contributes nothing. UCONN supporters did not buy their allotment of tickets or hotel rooms at Fiesta Bowl. TCU is probably regretting getting in that conference.

SC, when we add teams will we stay the SEC or will we become the SESDC? I really think the super duper adds a lot to the name.

How did that work out for Mark Duper?  I can't remember.

 #+ I think you deserve one this. The Super Duper has some big words.  :D, RTR!

If I remember right. It worked OK for Mark Duper and Miami until they played Joe Montana and the 49ers.

Why does Texas A&M interest the SEC? 24.8 million people in Texas, that's why


http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/08/why_texas_am_for_the_sec_248_m.html

(http://media.al.com/sports_impact/photo/sec-t-shirtjpg-1fd1458643083d0a.jpg)

Like the shirt.  8)

My guess that the SEC brings in 2 teams during off season.

I would think the Texas TV market is what the SEC is after. Might make recruiting better for us. RTR!

Texas A&M tells Big 12 it will explore conference options


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/25/texas-am-big-12/index.html

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/08/texas_am_officially_tells_big.html

scarbooger wrote some crap on it today that I didnt read.  It's AboogerL.com.

I never read scab. I won't even click on it if I know he wrote it. Each time people read his or other writers articles, the newspapers pay them incentives.

I have to pray for Scarbinsky but I will not read his articles. RTR!

Does anyone know if a league is allowed to have a league playoff? With all this super conference talk going around, I just thought it would be cool to have the top 2 seeds from each division in a playoff type scenario. Maybe #1 West vs #2 East and vice versa in first round play and winners meet at the Dome. I know it will probably never happen, but it would be cool with a 16 team SEC and all the talent in it. Btw, go back a couple years and play out that scenario and you get some really awesome games.

I am hoping we will get to that eventually.  I don't know if the current rules would allow for it or not, but once the conferences start to get bigger maybe they will change it.

The current NCAA football rules allow a conference with 12 or more members to have a championship game. Playoffs are not allowed at this time.

That is what I thought.  But do the rules explicitly forbid such a playoff game, or do they just not address it?

I am not sure of the exact wording but it is something like this: A conference of 12 or more can be split into divisons and a single championship game can be played to determine the conference winner.

The regular season schedule serves as the playoff for the conference and then the two teams from each side of the conference play for the championship.

The ACC seems a little concerned:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6949128/acc-debating-upping-buyout-leave-conference-sources-say

Anybody else hear Tony say he didn't think we had a 14th team.

Yeah, and for once I think I have to disagree with TB. I can't imagine that Mike Slive and the rest of the suits in B'ham haven't got some idea of who they wanted to invite. It may not be even unofficial yet, but I am pretty sure that there is some movement with at least one school, possibly more.

I was thinking he was trying to get us up in a frenzy.

There's a new billboard in Waco

http://eye-on-college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32107992

93.7 The Zone has a discussion on now about the loss of the Big East.  People in NY are pissed about demise of the conference.  Villanova and others without a big-time football team are butt hurt over this, but nobody has any power to stop the bailing out by Syracuse and Pitt.

I wonder if they use that much of the Bible verse when they are among each other? RTR!

(http://eye-on-college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/images/collegefootball/ambillboard.jpg)  Funny stuff.