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Title: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 04, 2011, 09:55:11 AM
Sorry for the error in the preliminary results.   :-[

Here are the official results. 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Badfish1060/WEEK1-1.jpg)

If you see a problem with your score holla.

Please congratulate the winners, discuss last weeks picks, and suggest games for next week in this thread.  I will try and get next weeks picks up tomorrow.




Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 04, 2011, 10:01:08 AM
Also note, two people got a pass this week.  They both picked the boogers but said it would be close and/or wouldnt cover.  Please pick ONLY THE WINNER AGAINST THE SPREAD, it just helps limit confusion.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: pmull on September 04, 2011, 10:04:54 AM
Congrats HL. Picking 8 out of 10 against the line is impressive.

Good job Smitty. Nice spreadsheet with the results.

E-cred to you both.  #+


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on September 04, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
Thanks general!


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 04, 2011, 10:12:06 AM
Congrats HL. Picking 8 out of 10 against the line is impressive.

Good job Smitty. Nice spreadsheet with the results.

E-cred to you both.  #+

Thanks.  I will add some standings #'s on the left of the names next week, forgot that.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ricky023 on September 04, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
Man I looked like GA or Ole Miss this week. Just look at what I pick and pick the other way you should be perfect. lol, RTR!


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Marshal Dillon on September 04, 2011, 10:27:48 AM
Game suggestions:


TCU/Air Force
Virginia Tech/East Carolina
So. Carolina/Mark Richt
Notre Dame/Michigan
BYU/Texas
Miss. St./Auburn
Oregon State/Wisconsin
California/Colorado
Nevada/Oregon
BC/UCF

I'm guessing that we don't use teams playing on Thursday, Friday, or Sunday, right?

 :popcorn2:


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on September 04, 2011, 11:27:42 AM
Nice work, Smitty.  Thanks for your efforts!


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: SUPERCOACH on September 04, 2011, 12:19:11 PM
Congratulations HL and MD.  Thanks for all the work calculating the scores Smitty.  Now that we have the results in I am going to make a sidebar box with last weeks winners and another one with the overall leader board.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Jamos on September 04, 2011, 01:07:25 PM
Good job to all of those providing the elbow grease for all of this, thanks!!  #+


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: cbbama99 on September 04, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
OK, I am going to show my betting stupidity. What does it mean exactly to bet against the line, and what does the deviation mean? I apologize for being a moron, but I guess it would be stupider of me not to ask.  :-[


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Marshal Dillon on September 04, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
OK, I am going to show my betting stupidity. What does it mean exactly to bet against the line, and what does the deviation mean? I apologize for being a moron, but I guess it would be stupider of me not to ask.  :-[


I don't know that stuff, either, because I don't gamble except for lottery tickets in Georgia.   ;)


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Catch Prothro on September 04, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 04, 2011, 04:02:32 PM
Game suggestions:


TCU/Air Force
Virginia Tech/East Carolina
So. Carolina/Mark Richt
Notre Dame/Michigan
BYU/Texas
Miss. St./Auburn
Oregon State/Wisconsin
California/Colorado
Nevada/Oregon
BC/UCF

I'm guessing that we don't use teams playing on Thursday, Friday, or Sunday, right?

 :popcorn2:

not necessarily, I was thinking we could thursday games at some point.  Wanted to give everyone til saturday on the first week.



Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: BAMAWV on September 04, 2011, 04:41:34 PM
I usually keep ESPN.com>scores>boxscore open during the games. They showed BATR with 67 yds and 5.4 ypc at the end of the game. It has now been edited to 37yds rushing. Does anyone know why the confusion? This is important to me because I chose 67yds and made a sideline call to CNS to pull him at 67 so I would win the poll (tiebreaker, if necessary).


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Chechem on September 04, 2011, 04:59:55 PM
I usually keep ESPN.com>scores>boxscore open during the games. They showed BATR with 67 yds and 5.4 ypc at the end of the game. It has now been edited to 37yds rushing. Does anyone know why the confusion? This is important to me because I chose 67yds and made a sideline call to CNS to pull him at 67 so I would win the poll (tiebreaker, if necessary).

Yeah, I saw that too.  During the game I posted that he had 65 yards (or so).  WTH?  Maybe he loses yards each time he's booed.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: BAMAWV on September 04, 2011, 07:21:38 PM
I usually keep ESPN.com>scores>boxscore open during the games. They showed BATR with 67 yds and 5.4 ypc at the end of the game. It has now been edited to 37yds rushing. Does anyone know why the confusion? This is important to me because I chose 67yds and made a sideline call to CNS to pull him at 67 so I would win the poll (tiebreaker, if necessary).

Yeah, I saw that too.  During the game I posted that he had 65 yards (or so).  WTH?  Maybe he loses yards each time he's booed.
Glad someone else saw that. Even the ESPN scores crawler had BATR with 65 yds. ???


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Chechem on September 04, 2011, 07:41:25 PM
I usually keep ESPN.com>scores>boxscore open during the games. They showed BATR with 67 yds and 5.4 ypc at the end of the game. It has now been edited to 37yds rushing. Does anyone know why the confusion? This is important to me because I chose 67yds and made a sideline call to CNS to pull him at 67 so I would win the poll (tiebreaker, if necessary).

Yeah, I saw that too.  During the game I posted that he had 65 yards (or so).  WTH?  Maybe he loses yards each time he's booed.
Glad someone else saw that. Even the ESPN scores crawler had BATR with 65 yds. ???

I found the evidence that saves our credibility.  It's the page in the KSU in-game thread where I posted the yardage. http://www.crimsonredsports.com/index.php?topic=4048.msg60007#msg60007


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: cbbama99 on September 05, 2011, 09:33:23 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 05, 2011, 09:36:34 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.

As you should.  

I am going to have to razz you here.  You are the first adult male football fan I have ever met that doesnt have a basic understanding of vegas odds.   I am pretty sure I understood the line around the age of 7 and I dont think that is special or abnormal.

Ok, I'm done, love ya big guy.  :)



Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 05, 2011, 09:44:03 AM
This knowledge will change your life CB.  You should google and learn about over/under also.

 :P


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: cbbama99 on September 05, 2011, 09:46:32 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.

As you should.  

I am going to have to razz you here.  You are the first adult male football fan I have ever met that doesnt have a basic understanding of vegas odds.   I am pretty sure I understood the line around the age of 7 and I dont think that is special or abnormal.

Ok, I'm done, love ya big guy.  :)



Firsty of all, nobody in family was ever into betting lines, so I never learned such growing up. Second, I don't bet (nothing against it per se, just can't afford to), so never saw much of a reason to learn it. I guess I must apologize for not being a man and being so stupid.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 05, 2011, 09:48:50 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.

As you should.  

I am going to have to razz you here.  You are the first adult male football fan I have ever met that doesnt have a basic understanding of vegas odds.   I am pretty sure I understood the line around the age of 7 and I dont think that is special or abnormal.

Ok, I'm done, love ya big guy.  :)



Firsty of all, nobody in family was ever into betting lines, so I never learned such growing up. Second, I don't bet (nothing against it per se, just can't afford to), so never saw much of a reason to learn it. I guess I must apologize for not being a man and being so stupid.

Dont take it so hard.  Ignorance does not equal stupidity.  I think you will enjoy learning about the vegas odds and how they move and the over/under's.

You will also be impressed at how often vegas gets it right on the nose.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: cbbama99 on September 05, 2011, 09:53:36 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.

As you should.  

I am going to have to razz you here.  You are the first adult male football fan I have ever met that doesnt have a basic understanding of vegas odds.   I am pretty sure I understood the line around the age of 7 and I dont think that is special or abnormal.

Ok, I'm done, love ya big guy.  :)



Firsty of all, nobody in family was ever into betting lines, so I never learned such growing up. Second, I don't bet (nothing against it per se, just can't afford to), so never saw much of a reason to learn it. I guess I must apologize for not being a man and being so stupid.

Dont take it so hard.  Ignorance does not equal stupidity.  I think you will enjoy learning about the vegas odds and how they move and the over/under's.

You will also be impressed at how often vegas gets it right on the nose.

Sorry general. Not trying to sound so annoyed. I guess I just get a little embarassed some times about things I don't know that I probably should, such as car repair, home repairs, things like that. Please accept my apologies for being defensive. ::Raise a beer glass::


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 05, 2011, 10:02:04 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.

As you should.  

I am going to have to razz you here.  You are the first adult male football fan I have ever met that doesnt have a basic understanding of vegas odds.   I am pretty sure I understood the line around the age of 7 and I dont think that is special or abnormal.

Ok, I'm done, love ya big guy.  :)



Firsty of all, nobody in family was ever into betting lines, so I never learned such growing up. Second, I don't bet (nothing against it per se, just can't afford to), so never saw much of a reason to learn it. I guess I must apologize for not being a man and being so stupid.

Dont take it so hard.  Ignorance does not equal stupidity.  I think you will enjoy learning about the vegas odds and how they move and the over/under's.

You will also be impressed at how often vegas gets it right on the nose.

Sorry general. Not trying to sound so annoyed. I guess I just get a little embarassed some times about things I don't know that I probably should, such as car repair, home repairs, things like that. Please accept my apologies for being defensive. ::Raise a beer glass::

Anything you need to know just ask us here.  We will make fun of you and then give you the information.  8)


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on September 05, 2011, 10:03:29 AM
Sorry general. Not trying to sound so annoyed. I guess I just get a little embarassed some times about things I don't know that I probably should, such as car repair, home repairs, things like that. Please accept my apologies for being defensive. ::Raise a beer glass::

I can identify with you some there, cc.  My Dad was never into hunting and fishing or such things, so I never learned anything about those growing up.  When the subjects come up around a group of guys I often feel a little embarrassed.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 05, 2011, 10:07:20 AM
Sorry general. Not trying to sound so annoyed. I guess I just get a little embarassed some times about things I don't know that I probably should, such as car repair, home repairs, things like that. Please accept my apologies for being defensive. ::Raise a beer glass::

I can identify with you some there, cc.  My Dad was never into hunting and fishing or such things, so I never learned anything about those growing up.  When the subjects come up around a group of guys I often feel a little embarrassed.

[soapbox] Nothing embarrassing about not having a habit/obsession of taking enjoyment in the killing another living thing.  Particularly a herbivore mammal from the top of a tree covered with fake pee and carrying a high power rifle. [/soapbox]


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: cbbama99 on September 05, 2011, 10:08:12 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.

As you should.  

I am going to have to razz you here.  You are the first adult male football fan I have ever met that doesnt have a basic understanding of vegas odds.   I am pretty sure I understood the line around the age of 7 and I dont think that is special or abnormal.

Ok, I'm done, love ya big guy.  :)



Firsty of all, nobody in family was ever into betting lines, so I never learned such growing up. Second, I don't bet (nothing against it per se, just can't afford to), so never saw much of a reason to learn it. I guess I must apologize for not being a man and being so stupid.

Dont take it so hard.  Ignorance does not equal stupidity.  I think you will enjoy learning about the vegas odds and how they move and the over/under's.

You will also be impressed at how often vegas gets it right on the nose.

Sorry general. Not trying to sound so annoyed. I guess I just get a little embarassed some times about things I don't know that I probably should, such as car repair, home repairs, things like that. Please accept my apologies for being defensive. ::Raise a beer glass::

Anything you need to know just ask us here.  We will make fun of you and then give you the information.  8)

"You like me! You really like me!!!"  :lol:


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 05, 2011, 10:13:45 AM
Betting against the line means that the Las  Vegas oddsmakers put a point amount on a game and you pick with the the favored team winning by more than the points.  For example, assume the line is Bama wins by 10 against Penn State.  If you pick Bama, you are saying that Bama wins by more than 10 points.  If you pick Penn State, you say that Penn State either wins or loses by less than 10.  If the final result is exactly 10 points, then it is considered a tie for purposes of your pick.  This is how betting is done in Vegas.

The deviation listed is from the tie breaker -- how many yards would TR rush.  The number is how many yards each person was off from the 37 he actually rushed.

Thanks, CP. I still feel like a moron, but at least I learned something.

As you should.  

I am going to have to razz you here.  You are the first adult male football fan I have ever met that doesnt have a basic understanding of vegas odds.   I am pretty sure I understood the line around the age of 7 and I dont think that is special or abnormal.

Ok, I'm done, love ya big guy.  :)



Firsty of all, nobody in family was ever into betting lines, so I never learned such growing up. Second, I don't bet (nothing against it per se, just can't afford to), so never saw much of a reason to learn it. I guess I must apologize for not being a man and being so stupid.

Dont take it so hard.  Ignorance does not equal stupidity.  I think you will enjoy learning about the vegas odds and how they move and the over/under's.

You will also be impressed at how often vegas gets it right on the nose.

Sorry general. Not trying to sound so annoyed. I guess I just get a little embarassed some times about things I don't know that I probably should, such as car repair, home repairs, things like that. Please accept my apologies for being defensive. ::Raise a beer glass::

Anything you need to know just ask us here.  We will make fun of you and then give you the information.  8)

"You like me! You really like me!!!"  :lol:

TFL = Tackle for loss

Just in case.  :P


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: cbbama99 on September 05, 2011, 10:39:58 AM
Hardy har har har :P :lol:


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Chechem on September 05, 2011, 11:51:19 AM
I usually keep ESPN.com>scores>boxscore open during the games. They showed BATR with 67 yds and 5.4 ypc at the end of the game. It has now been edited to 37yds rushing. Does anyone know why the confusion? This is important to me because I chose 67yds and made a sideline call to CNS to pull him at 67 so I would win the poll (tiebreaker, if necessary).

Yeah, I saw that too.  During the game I posted that he had 65 yards (or so).  WTH?  Maybe he loses yards each time he's booed.
Glad someone else saw that. Even the ESPN scores crawler had BATR with 65 yds. ???

I found the evidence that saves our credibility.  It's the page in the KSU in-game thread where I posted the yardage. http://www.crimsonredsports.com/index.php?topic=4048.msg60007#msg60007

Bump for WV to see.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: rueben on September 05, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
To continue on the gambling tutorial. You will often see a spread with a 1/2 point involved.
Example: Bama + 9.5 This is to eliminate the tie. If Bama were to win by only 9 points or less, those who bet on Bama would lose. If Bama won by 10 or more, those who bet on Bama will win.

Over under is pretty easy to understand. It is total points of the two teams for the whole game.

If the over / under was set, lest say, at 48. You would try and guess if the final score between the two teams would be over or under 48 points. So if you bet "the over" and Alabama wins 36-13...you win. ( 36+13= 49).

See? Ez/ Pz


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: SUPERCOACH on September 06, 2011, 03:11:16 PM
I just made the sidebar block with last weeks winners.  I also awarded the e-creds.

1.  +15
2.  +10
3.  +5


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: ssmith general on September 06, 2011, 03:11:50 PM
I just made the sidebar block with last weeks winners.  I also awarded the e-creds.

1.  +15
2.  +10
3.  +5

 #+


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on September 06, 2011, 03:40:19 PM
I just made the sidebar block with last weeks winners.  I also awarded the e-creds.

1.  +15
2.  +10
3.  +5

Perhaps I should change my avatar for the week.  Don't want to scare off potential members/visitors.  You all know I'm harmless, but they might not.  I rarely need the straight jack and muzzle.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: SUPERCOACH on September 06, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
I just made the sidebar block with last weeks winners.  I also awarded the e-creds.

1.  +15
2.  +10
3.  +5

Perhaps I should change my avatar for the week.  Don't want to scare off potential members/visitors.  You all know I'm harmless, but they might not.  I rarely need the straight jack and muzzle.

I vote to leave it as is.  It is one of my favorites.


Title: Re: *** Official Week 1 Pick'em Results *** Congrats Hannibal Lecter, MD ***
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on September 06, 2011, 03:56:05 PM
Don't change your avatar Dr.