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 just wondering where Jalen hurts fits into the playbook for Alabama's future

 is he our starter next year as a conservative quarterback,  or is the Hawaiian our starter

Saban already said they'd sort it out during the spring.

I was so glad to see Jalen's positive attitude last night. You could tell he was genuinely happy for Tua and being a part of a Natty.

If I am the coach I develop a few plays where both Jalen and Tua are standing side by side in the shotgun and the snap would go to the qb with a particular signal after being determined by the qb reads at the LOS.  Let the opposing defense figure out which one to chase...

There was a lot of speculation from folks that this would happen this year. Unfortunately, it didn't. I can definitely see it happening next year. Hurts may not be the best QB, but he's too good an athlete to leave on the sideline.

Last night revealed for all to see what some already had seen.  Tua IS a QB.  Jalen. is a good athlete who plays QB.

Jalen still does not see the whole field.  His HS offensive scheme didn't require him to develop that skill.  Tua sees the whole field which is why he knew where he was going with that last throw before the ball was snapped, and he knew how to make the play unfold.

RTR  What a night!!!

What a night indeed, McB!  :toast4:

Now kiffen wants to add his two cents after looking into his imaginary crystal ball

I agree.  Tua is a QB, Jalen is an athlete.

I don't think you can put that genie back in the bottle.  I'm guessing Tua earned the starting job last night.

At 6'2", 218 pounds, Jalen might be a better prospect at another position, maybe DB or WR. He hasn't learned the college passing game;  it is unlikely that any NFL team other than the Browns would give him a chance at QB.  (And although Bama will still need a backup QB, I don't see Jalen staying around for that role.)

To keep him, we need to get him on the field.

I remember the failed experiments with Jimmy Johns.  I don't think they apply to Jalen.  There aren't the attitude (drug) issues.

Give Jalen a chance.   :popcorn2:

I would not to have to make the choice between the 2 QB's they are both dominant. RTR!

Just keep in mind that many of Alabama's QBs didn't blossom until their junior or senior years.  It's difficult to read defenses and make plays in seconds.

It'd be a mistake to give up on Jalen.  More likely we'll see a new role for him.
Remember, behind Jalen is NOTHING for depth.  We were lucky this year.  All of the injuries we had this year hardly touched Jalen (one quiet leg injury); could be an issue almost any time in any game for Tua.  We need them both.

Sure, but don't know if Jalen would stay as a backup.   :unsure:

I think your right on keeping Jalen playing but You got to admit Tua needs to be throwing the ball so how do you that with both players? RTR!

Just my opinion...there's no way that Tua isn't the starter as of right now. There's multiple reasons why reverting to Jalen at this point would be detrimental. The team is aware of who gives them the best chance to win. If he is not the starter, you start losing the team. Two, do you think the 5 star talent at the WR position continues to roll in when they know that the QB is not well rounded and can throw the ball? Think Blake Sims...how many receptions did any receiver have that wasn't named Amari Cooper. This year...other than Ridley, how many receptions?

Why go back to a limited playbook because personnel limitations? Does Tua stay if Jalen is still the named the starter. No way Jalen improves enough to be a top 3 QB in the draft after his junior season...

Several things will happen within the next few months: Saban will meet with both QBs; Jalen will be given options; spring practice will help sort out the roles. 

For instance, Jalen could play a slot position, and still be a backup QB when needed.  Image him on a jet sweep with run/pass options.

All good points. Nice post.

As we all probably already know, it will come down to a QB competition in spring and maybe fall practices. If Tua was to emerge as the clear leader after the A Day game, then the discussions will begin about options for Jalen. I like the idea of a position change for Jalen, if it comes down to that, but using him also in certain packages and as a backup.

Long way to go though.

I watched the 2nd half of the game again today.  (Hey...I like the way it ends!!)

Tua is so far ahead of Jalen as a QB...it's not even close.  Imagine what he will be like as a 2nd year guy and with a playbook built around his skills.  It's a completely different mind set for the O.

They will start spring "even" I'm sure, but that's in name only.  Jalen doesn't do anything better than Tua other than hold the ball and run out of bounds.  I salute him for his character and being a great teammate, but if there is a "competition," it is only out of respect to him for those qualities.  Jalen has not shown any significant improvement.  He was a bit more accurate this year, but his decision making and vision were still horrific.  He was dragging our offense down, including the game planning to try to use his "strengths."  Our offense had been horrible against good defenses all year.

In the LSU, MSU, and Auburn games he had the ball in his hands when the whistle blew 57 times (roughly 1/3 of our snaps), partly by design and partly due to his inability to distribute the ball.  That was ridiculous and ineffective (barely 3 yards a play).

That boggles the mind.  :o

What about Little Tua if he decides to come this way? RTR!

READ the recruiting thread, Ricky.

Thanks for the stats.  We all saw it, but I wasn't counting.   

I agree that the offense should be built around Tua.  He made some freshman errors, but he also has a huge upside in terms of talent that can be developed through the spring and summer. 

After two seasons, JH hasn't progressed much in his passing or reads.  And with JH at QB, all that talent at WR is wasted.  JH is a great athlete, but he probably cannot realize his potential at the QB position.  As others have noted, some QBs take time to develop, but it seems that JH is not progressing much on the mental side of the game.   

I started wondering about midway through the season why Tua only had mop up duty.  After watching his freshman errors in the championship game, it was clear why he didn't play in the big games earlier -- we didn't need him, except maybe against Auburn.  Perhaps Tua's season, practicing and playing as backup, plus the extra practice time before the Clemson game when JH had the flu, allowed him to be ready when duty called.  The coaches seemed more willing to insert him into the Georgia game than other tight games Bama faced earlier in the season.  So while JH was frustrating at times, the coaches obviously thought he was our best chance for success during the regular season.  As Saban rightly noted, JH was the QB who got us to the playoffs.   :clap:

Pretty funny photo attached.  Don't know how to upload it.

Here ya go, CP.

(https://i.imgur.com/dTvLdiF.jpg)

Awesome 2.

Speaking of FGs:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pm_z4Rtkg8

Running Back

As far as Jalen, he has come this year he still won't throw into tight windows the way Tua does. Like others have stated, I think this is because of the years of playin, probably with 1 read in the passing game, then get what you can mentality.   I honestly think Jalen would make a heck of a slot rec.  In this role, he could run the jet sweep as well as get isolated on LB's and safeties.  To also be honest, in my opinion, I think the OL played a hell of a lot better in the second half than they did in the first half which helped Tua.  I also think you could put a package where he lines up in the backfield and motions out to the side that gives the O an advantage as well as run the ball behind a lead back.  Think of what would look like a max protect set with 3 wide rec and Harris, either one, and Hurts in the backfield.  You could run a screen to either player but also release one who would have the opportunity to goes against a LB in coverage.  I really don't think Jalen is an NFL quarterback so it would benefit him to make a move.  The other question, who would be your back up quarterback?  I don't think you could as Jalen to be a backup quarterback and be an effective slot rec. 

just not to tight coach 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aGF7MwlDts

I like your thoughts on slot receiver.  We don't know if Jalen has the hands for it.

I've seen games where the backup QB was a receiver.  It's not ideal in terms of practice time, but keeping him off the field could be a bigger mistake.

I could see him transitioning from QB to receiver similar to the way Hines Ward did at Georgia. I bet he did not regret the move after playing 14 years in the NFL and holding all of the Steelers receiving records.

Jalen does not have a future in the NFL at QB. It would be in his best interest to start developing other skills sets (running back or receiver) now rather than at the NFL combine in a few years.

I sure think Jalen will play in the nfl but I too don't believe he will play QB but he will be a great WR. RTR!