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I may have jinxed Nebraska.  But $350 for a friggin motel is worthy of a jinx.

Michigan 37  NEB 0 (2nd quarter)

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Boy, how bad is Nebraska?

Good enough for their false national championship claiming coach.

UGA player dropped the football as he crossed the goal on a long pass.

May be overturned.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nope; video wasn't good enough; TD for UGA.

Right before that a UGA player got a roughing passer call by pushing the QB (gently) after an incomplete pass on 3rd down.  Next play for Missou was a TD.


Poor Kirby.   :( :(

Talk about empty stands; Ole Miss fans didn't show for the game, and now that crowd of 100 has left too.

 :lol2:

Looks like 20-7 Ga at the half.

Talk about empty stands; Ole Miss fans didn't show for the game, and now that crowd of 100 has left too.

 :lol2:

What shall we watch next?  :dunno:

I would watch Auburn but Arkansas is pitiful.  Likely a boog beat down.

What shall we watch next?  :dunno:

I would watch Auburn but Arkansas is pitiful.  Likely a boog beat down.

It would be nice if the Hogs could muster a miracle.  If Mullen loses to Tennessee, there are going to be some folks at Florida with serious buyers remorse. 

The Hokies fell in a historic upset ESPN called the worst upset of an ACC team in 40 years. 

It would be nice if the Hogs could muster a miracle.  If Mullen loses to Tennessee, there are going to be some folks at Florida with serious buyers remorse. 

The Hokies fell in a historic upset ESPN called the worst upset of an ACC team in 40 years. 

How is an ACC team losing an upset?   ???  I mean, I'm not upset about it.  Anybody else?  Anybody?   :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

How is an ACC team losing an upset?   ???  I mean, I'm not upset about it.  Anybody else?  Anybody?   :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

I'm watching Auburn.  CGM is soooo sneaky.  :eyeroll:

More like "sooooo high school".

I almost said high school.  :lol2:

Arkansas is so hard to watch.

Then I remembered they beat both us and UGA last year.  :-[

And Army just tied Oklahommey  14-14

It's still a hs offense.  Just a bunch of bogus trick crap. 
How many NCs does Gus have??

Does he get any credit for 2010?  Or does Cheese Dip get all the credit for that?  :dunno:

Does he get any credit for 2010?  Or does Cheese Dip get all the credit for that?  :dunno:

I suppose all of the credit should go to the bag man, who is still anonymous all these years later.  :lol2:

I think we posted at the same time.  :lol2:

Does he get any credit for 2010?  Or does Cheese Dip get all the credit for that?  :dunno:

Auburn 10 Arkansas 0 after the 1st Qtr.

Last week North Texas had them 17-0 after the 1st Qtr.  That means North Texas would have Auburn 7-0 by this point, right.  :dunno:

:duh:

I'm watching Auburn.  CGM is soooo sneaky.  :eyeroll:

I can't stand to watch him during their games.  He's the biggest crybaby and clown in football. 

Careful.  North TX will claim a natty.

Auburn is up 17-0. The refs are responsible for 17 of those points.  :facepalm:

I can't stand to watch him during their games.  He's the biggest crybaby and clown in football. 

United States Army 21

Okie  21

4th Q

What channel is this on?  :popcorn2:

Do tell!  :popcorn2:

ESPN doesn't show a channel.  :(

Do tell!  :popcorn2:

ESPN doesn't show a channel.  :(

Army's drive has been 10 min and 65 yards (from their 1).  But they are at the Okie 34 with a timeout; 3rd and 14.

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Army'd drive has been 10 min and 65 yards (from their 1).  But they are at the Okie 34 with a timeout; 3rd and 14.

 :popcorn2:

Would be the upset of the year month week day.

VT might kiss Army if it happens.

Meanwhile, KY just intercepted MSU.  They lead 14-7 over the DOGS.

Arkansas on the board 17-3 now.

OU down to the Army 30.  1:21 to go.

And La Tech has closed the gap to 24-21 against the Fighting Orgerons.

OU at Army 18 with 24 secs left

:popcorn2:

La Tech can win a natty if they finish this.   :lol2:

OU at the 10 with 14 secs left.  Timeout.

La Tech can win a natty if they finish this.   :lol2:

LSU will complain that they spent all their energy beating Miami and the barn.  :lol2:

So OK and Army going to OT?

Oregon 24
Stanford 7

Chokelahoma goes first in OT and starts off with a false start.

LSU now up 31-21 in the 4th.

Oregon 31 Stanford 7 in 3rd qtr

Stanford #7 in nation.



 :stars:

Auburn 31-3 but they still haven't covered yet.  :lol2:

ORE can tie with a TD:

Oregon failed to score!  Stanford wins!!  38-31.

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The Oregon game turned on a pylon that's OB, not in the field of play.   :lol2: :lol2:

Yep, runner's foot hit the pylon, ball was in his left arm, out of bounds.  Looked like the right call to me.

Stanford plays ND next Saturday.  Another interesting pick. 

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RE misses a perfect week.   :facepalm:  :worship:

Odd thing about the ORE game, WHEN DID THEY START PUTTING PYLONS OB??  I thought the pylon was an extension of the goalline, and was also part of the sidelines.  For years players would kick the pylon, giving them an automatic TD, regardless of which arm held the ball and such.  WTH??

...Edzackery!  The ball carrier can kick the pylon and score a TD regardless of which hand the ball is in or where it is in relation to the goal line itself but when running out in the middle of the field the ball has to "break the plane" of the goal line...

For a  number  of  years  we  have  made  a  distinction  between  a  ball  carrier  who goes airborne voluntarily — e.g. , he intentionally  dives for the pylon —and one who is  in the  air  because  of  contact  by  an  opponent.

Effective in  2011 there  is  no distinction between  the  ball  carrier who  dives  on  his  own  and  the one who  goes  into  the  air  on contact  by  an  opponent. They  are  both  airborne  players.   In  addition,  the  concept  of the  goal - line  plane  is  altered  slightly,  but  significantly.    For  a  ball  carrier  to  score  a touchdown, we  know  that the  ball
in  his  possession must  break the  plane  of  the  goal line.  But the interpretation of the plane of the goal line now is this: The goal -line plane runs  between  the  pylons  and  includes  the entire  pylon.   This  plane does  not extend beyond the pylons except in two
specific cases: when a ball carrier touches the pylon, and when a ball carrier touches the ground in  the end zone.  In the new 2011 - 12  rule book you will find this change in two places: Rule 2 -12 -2 (definition of goal line) and in Rule 8 - 2 -1 - a (how a touchdown is scored).  Previously  we  extended  the  goal- line  plane  if  a  ball  carrier  went  into  the  air because of contact by an opponent, and we did not extend it if he dived on his own.  But now it doesn’t matter how he got into the air.  What does matter is whether he touches
either the pylon or the ground in the end zone.  If he doesn‘t do either of these, the plane is not extended — no matter how he got into the air.

Found this:

https://www.sfachapterfootball.com/uploads/5/0/1/1/5011318/2011intentionalgrounding-airbornerunner.pdf

Interesting. I believe I have seen ball carriers cross over the goal line and the sideline in the corner of the end zone without touching either the field (in the end zone) or the pylon and because the ball broke the "infinite" plane of the end zone it was ruled a TD. That doesn't agree with what you found unless I misread it...

A touchdown shall be scored when:

A ball carrier advancing from the field of play has possession of a live ball when it penetrates the plane of the opponent’s goal line. This plane extends beyond the pylons only for a player who touches the ground in the end zone or a pylon.

Play #4:  The ball carrier heads for the right pylon of the goal line with the ball in his right hand.  His foot hits the pylon just before the ball (a) crosses the pylon; or (b) crosses the extension of the goal line outside the pylon.  Ruling:  (a) and (b) No touchdown in either case. Because the pylon is out of bounds, the ball is dead once the runner's foot hits the pylon. Thus the ball is dead in both cases before it crosses the goal line or the side line.

1. Ball carrier A1, while attempting to score, strikes the pylon located on the right intersection of the goal line and sideline with his foot. He is carrying the ball in his right arm, which is extended over the sideline. RULING: Whether or not a touchdown is scored depends on the forward progress of the ball as related to the goal line when the ball becomes dead by rule (Rules 4-2-4-d and 5-1-3-a).[Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
2. Ball carrier A1, advancing in the field of play, becomes airborne at the two-yard line. His first contact with the ground is out of bounds three yards beyond the goal line. The ball, in possession of the ball carrier, passed over the pylon. RULING: Touchdown (Rule 4-2-4-d). [Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
3. The ball, in possession of airborne ball carrier A21, crosses the sideline above the one-yard line, continues beyond the pylon and is then declared dead out of bounds in possession of A21. RULING: Ball is declared out of bounds at the one-yard line (Rules 2-12-1 and 4-2-4-d). [Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
4. Quarterback A12 completes a forward pass to a teammate who is standing in Team B’s end zone. (a) A12 is beyond the neutral zone when he releases the ball. (b) The receiver is wearing uniform number 73. RULING: In (a) and (b) the result of the play is a touchdown. The penalty is completed according to Team B’s options. [Cited by 2-9-2, 8-2-1-a]
5. Ball carrier A22 dives for the goal line at the B-1. The ball in his possession (a) touches the pylon; (b) goes over the top of the pylon; (c) crosses the goal line inside the pylon. A22 then first contacts the ground out of bounds three yards beyond the goal line. RULING: (a), (b) and (c) Touchdown in all three. The ball in A22’s possession has broken the plane of the goal line in all three scenarios. [Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
6. Ball carrier A22 heads for the right-hand pylon at the goal line. At the B-2 he dives or is blocked into the air by an opponent. The ball in A22’s right hand crosses the sideline at the B-1 and passes outside the pylon, and then A22 (a) touches the pylon with his foot or left hand; (b) first touches the ground out of bounds three yards beyond the goal line. RULING:(a) Touchdown. The goal-line plane is extended since A22 touches the pylon. (b) Not a touchdown. The goal-line plane is not extended because A22 did not touch either the pylon or the ground in the end zone. The ball is ruled out of bounds at the B-1. [Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
7. Ball carrier A22 heads for the right-hand pylon at the goal line. The ball in his right hand crosses the extension of the goal line outside (i.e., to the right of) the pylon, and then A22 steps (a) on the goal line; (b) on the sideline inches short of the goal line. RULING: (a) Touchdown. The goal-line plane is extended because A22 touches the ground in the end zone. (b) Not a touchdown. The goal-line plane is not extended. The ball is ruled out of bounds at the crossing point. [Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
8. Ball carrier A22 heads for the right-hand pylon at the goal line. The ball is in his right hand. His foot hits the pylon just before the ball crosses (a) the pylon or (b) the extension of the goal line just to the right (outside) of the pylon. RULING: (a) and (b) No touchdown in either case. Because the pylon is out of bounds the ball is dead when A22’s foot hits it. Thus in both cases the ball is dead before it crosses the goal line. [Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
9. Ball carrier A1 is hit and his forward progress stopped inbounds near the goal line at the sideline to his right. When he is stopped he has the ball in his right hand extended beyond the goal line (a) inside the pylon; (b) outside the pylon. RULING: (a) Touchdown. The ball became dead when he extended it beyond the goal-line plane. (b) Not a touchdown, because no part of his body touches either the pylon or the end zone. In this case the goal-line plane is not extended. [Cited by 2-9-2, 4-2-4-d, 8-2-1-a]
10. Ball carrier A33 is running toward the Team B goal line. He drops the ball just inside the one-yard line and, thinking he has scored a touchdown, circles through the end zone and runs to his team area. There is no touchdown signal by any official. The fumbled ball hits the ground just outside or just inside the goal line, rolls along the ground in the end zone, and is declared dead there when it comes to rest and no player attempts to recover it. RULING: A’s ball just inside the one-yard line. (Rule 7-2-5) [Cited by 8-2-1-c]

Okay, now I think I understand.
But it seems too detailed for the NCAA.  We need lasers instead to determine first downs and TDs.

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I think the NCAA adopted the NFL rule in 2011, which is why there are so many detailed examples. 

Lasers, or digital trackers on the football?   ???

Lasers could shoot across the field to QUICKLY determine first downs and TDs.  Same with OBs.  That would solve replays. 

NOT the Goldfinger lasers that cut you in half.  HTH   :lol2:

Buzz kill! Ratings would be through the roof.

Lasers could shoot across the field to QUICKLY determine first downs and TDs.  Same with OBs.  That would solve replays. 

NOT the Goldfinger lasers that cut you in half.  HTH   :lol2:

They could install chips in both ends of the football with sensors down the sidelines and end zone lines to determine out of bounds and TD's.  Because of the calibration issues that would be inevitable the 1st down determinations would be more difficult and possibly time consuming...

Lasers could shoot across the field to QUICKLY determine first downs and TDs.  Same with OBs.  That would solve replays. 

NOT the Goldfinger lasers that cut you in half.  HTH   :lol2:

Probably would need both lasers and a football tracker for ultimate accuracy.  The football's position is the most debated, and critical item.  The football moves, the goal and first down lines do not.

The Goldfinger laser would add an extra dimension, although Bond might argue for a ball tracker as well.  "Do you expect me to talk?"  "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQwKe0lggw

Think about this.  After a first down is established, a ref near the sideline places his foot at the approximate line where the umpire placed the ball.  Then the chain gang matches the foot mark by placing the chains along the sidelines.  It's estimated.  Then on a questionable first down, the refs stretch out the chain and use a card only a 0.2mm thick to determine whether a first down was attained.  CRAZY!!

Yes, it is totally guess work, disguised with a chain.

Is it a changing with the times that is making this come about? RTR!

There isn't any change.  We're discussing a need for change of chains.   :lol2:

I do wonder though would a lot of times would the lasers be against us getting a good mark? RTR!

It's like replays.  The replays usually help the refs get it right.