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Title: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Chechem on October 28, 2022, 07:56:13 AM Just thinking... How to cause a muffed punt:
If Bama is in punt formation and doesn't want to try a fake punt, how about this: PUNTER KICKS A LOW, LINE DRIVE PUNT TOWARD THE RECEIVING PLAYERS. Once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage and is touched by the defense, it's a free ball. Most of the receiving team would have their backs to the punter and not see the ball coming. Seems that kicking into the mass of receiving players could be easy for a punter, especially if the kicking team knows it's coming (and clears the way). It could be like an on-sides kick. I read the rules and didn't see anywhere that kicking high was required; only that it must pass the LOS and be touched by the defense before such a scramble could occur. :dunno: Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on October 28, 2022, 08:06:13 AM If it was easy enough to do (high rate of success), you'd see it happen regularly.
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Chechem on October 28, 2022, 08:10:44 AM If it was easy enough to do (high rate of success), you'd see it happen regularly. I know it's chicken ship :unsure: , but with the new Australian kickers it should be easy. Even if it missed hitting a player it should roll 30-40 yards anyhow. Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: ricky023 on October 28, 2022, 08:46:28 AM We could do this as the same as an onside kick. RTR!
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: N.AL-Tider on November 03, 2022, 01:46:25 PM In a punting situation most of the linemen on the receiving team try and get a push to try and block the kick. They tend to come across the LOS so if they were hit by a punted ball then it wouldn't be the same as if a kick return guy missed catching it and it being a live ball. It would be more like a blocked punt.
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: ricky023 on November 03, 2022, 01:49:59 PM In a punting situation most of the linemen on the receiving team try and get a push to try and block the kick. They tend to come across the LOS so if they were hit by a punted ball then it wouldn't be the same as if a kick return guy missed catching it and it being a live ball. It would be more like a blocked punt. What you have described I believe is correct. It would be considered a blocked punt. RTR! Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Chechem on November 03, 2022, 04:08:00 PM In a punting situation most of the linemen on the receiving team try and get a push to try and block the kick. They tend to come across the LOS so if they were hit by a punted ball then it wouldn't be the same as if a kick return guy missed catching it and it being a live ball. It would be more like a blocked punt. What you have described I believe is correct. It would be considered a blocked punt. RTR! Watch the next game. The entire center of the D-line quickly retreats without crossing the LOS. I watched last weekend. Only the outside guys usually force the punter. By the time he kicks, most have retreated 5-10 yards with their backs to the punter. Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: N.AL-Tider on November 03, 2022, 04:54:26 PM In a punting situation most of the linemen on the receiving team try and get a push to try and block the kick. They tend to come across the LOS so if they were hit by a punted ball then it wouldn't be the same as if a kick return guy missed catching it and it being a live ball. It would be more like a blocked punt. What you have described I believe is correct. It would be considered a blocked punt. RTR! Watch the next game. The entire center of the D-line quickly retreats without crossing the LOS. I watched last weekend. Only the outside guys usually force the punter. By the time he kicks, most have retreated 5-10 yards with their backs to the punter. Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Chechem on November 03, 2022, 05:06:49 PM While we're on rules, I'll add info about a situation that RE and I were discussing last week.
Did you know this (I think I've got it right)? A receiver crosses the field near the goalline and catches the ball at the sidelines. The ball is outside the sidelines and never crosses the goalline, but the receiver swings his feet across the goalline and steps OB just across the goal. His feet were over the endzone, but never touched down. The receiver never touched inside the endzone or touched the pylon. He's ruled OB at the 1 yard line (or wherever he caught the ball). If his foot touches the pylon, it's a TD (as long as the other foot was not OB). If his foot touches inside the endzone, it's a TD, even if the ball never crossed the goalline. (https://www.propellermediaworks.com/upload/photos/blog_talk-amongst-yourselves-1.png) Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: N.AL-Tider on November 03, 2022, 06:19:35 PM "Infinite plane" rules are confusing and don't always make sense. a receiver can catch the ball and run the entire length of the field holding the ball "out of bounds" but the ball will only be downed where he touches out of bounds, or a TD when he crosses the end zone line. One can also run sideline to sideline with the ball but if the ball ever crosses the EZ line it is deemed a TD even though the ball carrier never crosses into the zone. It just doesn't make any sense...
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on November 04, 2022, 04:20:11 AM While we're on rules, I'll add info about a situation that RE and I were discussing last week. Did you know this (I think I've got it right)? A receiver crosses the field near the goalline and catches the ball at the sidelines. The ball is outside the sidelines and never crosses the goalline, but the receiver swings his feet across the goalline and steps OB just across the goal. His feet were over the endzone, but never touched down. The receiver never touched inside the endzone or touched the pylon. He's ruled OB at the 1 yard line (or wherever he caught the ball). If his foot touches the pylon, it's a TD (as long as the other foot was not OB). If his foot touches inside the endzone, it's a TD, even if the ball never crossed the goalline. (https://www.propellermediaworks.com/upload/photos/blog_talk-amongst-yourselves-1.png) This was discussed during a game last week. You guys must have been watching. Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Chechem on November 04, 2022, 05:10:21 AM While we're on rules, I'll add info about a situation that RE and I were discussing last week. Did you know this (I think I've got it right)? A receiver crosses the field near the goalline and catches the ball at the sidelines. The ball is outside the sidelines and never crosses the goalline, but the receiver swings his feet across the goalline and steps OB just across the goal. His feet were over the endzone, but never touched down. The receiver never touched inside the endzone or touched the pylon. He's ruled OB at the 1 yard line (or wherever he caught the ball). If his foot touches the pylon, it's a TD (as long as the other foot was not OB). If his foot touches inside the endzone, it's a TD, even if the ball never crossed the goalline. (https://www.propellermediaworks.com/upload/photos/blog_talk-amongst-yourselves-1.png) This was discussed during a game last week. You guys must have been watching. Actually I saw that after he and I discussed it, and I was more confused afterward than before. Apparently the rules make it easier for the officials to judge. They can see feet OB along the sidelines, but aren't usually in position to see if the ball crosses OB. At the goalline it's easier to judge the ball crossing. As NALT said, it gets weird at times. Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: 2Stater on November 04, 2022, 07:44:57 AM :stars: :stars: :stars: :stars: :stars:
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on November 04, 2022, 07:53:06 AM I'm not sure that goaline/pylon rule is the same in the NFL/college either. The rule isn't the same for touchbacks on kicks.
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: ricky023 on November 04, 2022, 09:15:17 AM I thought the ball had to cross the goalline and it only had to make sure one foot was inbounds no matter it was caught. RTR!
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: pmull on November 04, 2022, 09:33:42 AM While we're on rules, I'll add info about a situation that RE and I were discussing last week. Did you know this (I think I've got it right)? A receiver crosses the field near the goalline and catches the ball at the sidelines. The ball is outside the sidelines and never crosses the goalline, but the receiver swings his feet across the goalline and steps OB just across the goal. His feet were over the endzone, but never touched down. The receiver never touched inside the endzone or touched the pylon. He's ruled OB at the 1 yard line (or wherever he caught the ball). If his foot touches the pylon, it's a TD (as long as the other foot was not OB). If his foot touches inside the endzone, it's a TD, even if the ball never crossed the goalline. The ball must cross the goal line is my understanding. This is what I found regarding the NCAA rules. Quote Approved Ruling 8-2-1 I. Ball carrier A1, while attempting to score, strikes the pylon located on the right intersection of the goal line and sideline with his foot. He is carrying the ball in his right arm, which is extended over the sideline. RULING: Whether or not a touchdown is scored depends on the forward progress of the ball as related to the goal line when the ball becomes dead by rule (Rules 4-2-4-d and 5-1-3-a). Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: ricky023 on November 04, 2022, 09:41:28 AM While we're on rules, I'll add info about a situation that RE and I were discussing last week. Did you know this (I think I've got it right)? A receiver crosses the field near the goalline and catches the ball at the sidelines. The ball is outside the sidelines and never crosses the goalline, but the receiver swings his feet across the goalline and steps OB just across the goal. His feet were over the endzone, but never touched down. The receiver never touched inside the endzone or touched the pylon. He's ruled OB at the 1 yard line (or wherever he caught the ball). If his foot touches the pylon, it's a TD (as long as the other foot was not OB). If his foot touches inside the endzone, it's a TD, even if the ball never crossed the goalline. The ball must cross the goal line is my understanding. This is what I found regarding the NCAA rules. Quote Approved Ruling 8-2-1 I. Ball carrier A1, while attempting to score, strikes the pylon located on the right intersection of the goal line and sideline with his foot. He is carrying the ball in his right arm, which is extended over the sideline. RULING: Whether or not a touchdown is scored depends on the forward progress of the ball as related to the goal line when the ball becomes dead by rule (Rules 4-2-4-d and 5-1-3-a). Wow thanks pmull for all the numbers sub spots. RTR! Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: carl childers on November 04, 2022, 11:06:26 AM On the punt, touching by the receiving team makes the ball live beyond the expanded neutral zone. So, let's say the punt hits a member of the receiving team 5 yds past the LOS - it is live. However, if it hits the R team at the LOS, then the touching is ignored.
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: carl childers on November 04, 2022, 11:10:08 AM For the goal line play, if the ball carrier doesn't have feet inbounds when the ball crosses the goal, then it has to be the judgment of the official if he crossed the goal inbounds or not. Keep in mind there is the goal line extended - if a ball carrier has feet inbounds but has possession of the ball past the goal line, even if the ball is outside the playing field it is a TD.
Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: ricky023 on November 04, 2022, 11:14:22 AM For the goal line play, if the ball carrier doesn't have feet inbounds when the ball crosses the goal, then it has to be the judgment of the official if he crossed the goal inbounds or not. Keep in mind there is the goal line extended - if a ball carrier has feet inbounds but has possession of the ball past the goal line, even if the ball is outside the playing field it is a TD. Thanks for these explanations. It sounds more in our favor now, lol. RTR! Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: Chechem on November 05, 2022, 05:42:44 AM For the goal line play, if the ball carrier doesn't have feet inbounds when the ball crosses the goal, then it has to be the judgment of the official if he crossed the goal inbounds or not. Keep in mind there is the goal line extended - if a ball carrier has feet inbounds but has possession of the ball past the goal line, even if the ball is outside the playing field it is a TD. Thanks for these explanations. It sounds more in our favor now, lol. RTR! Thanks for the clarifications, guys. It's a dicey situation right at the goalline. And fumbles right there can be a real mess. :unsure: Title: Re: QUESTION ABOUT RULES Post by: ricky023 on November 05, 2022, 06:35:54 AM Well good morning getting an early start today. RTR!
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