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Title: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: Marshal Dillon on March 16, 2011, 11:16:42 AM I wouldn't be surprised if they pick him. This fanchise management is awful and is competing with Cincinatti, Oakland, & Jacksonville to be the worst in the NFL.
:o http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/273150-panthers-more-likely-to-hold-pick-take-newton?eref=fromSI (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/273150-panthers-more-likely-to-hold-pick-take-newton?eref=fromSI) Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: cbbama99 on March 16, 2011, 11:22:22 AM I wouldn't be surprised if they pick him. This fanchise management is awful and is competing with Cincinatti, Oakland, & Jacksonville to be the worst in the NFL. :o http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/273150-panthers-more-likely-to-hold-pick-take-newton?eref=fromSI (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/273150-panthers-more-likely-to-hold-pick-take-newton?eref=fromSI) Maybe it should be Cam taking the Panthers reps out to dinner. I'm sure Cecil can spring for the bill. Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: crtuneman on March 16, 2011, 11:24:28 AM This would be a huge gamble for Carolina. Cam Newton is a very chancy pick, and since Carolina has so many other needs they would be smart to go for a safer pick like Dareus or even Peterson. I still believe that Cam will be another Vince Young, AKA big bust.
Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: Marshal Dillon on March 16, 2011, 11:35:23 AM This would be a huge gamble for Carolina. Cam Newton is a very chancy pick, and since Carolina has so many other needs they would be smart to go for a safer pick like Dareus or even Peterson. I still believe that Cam will be another Vince Young, AKA big bust. Please refer back to my original post about Carolina management. ;) Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: che boludo on March 16, 2011, 11:39:17 AM It is easy to see the potential upside of Cam until you peel away the layers. You don't have to pull too many layers off until you are left with a basically unapologetic thief who continues to be deceitful and guarded with the "full" truth about his past activities, so obviously character issues become a concern.
Every action he takes gives me the impression that his ego could be a cancer to team chemistry as (like the above said) he is not willing to take responsibility for his own actions, so his problems become the teams problems while his successes will be HIS successes. Then, you can't look past the fact that he is simply inexperienced as a QB. He has one year as a starter facing real competition and reading more evolved defenses (which he didn't really do as the plays were pre-called and audibled from the sideline). His only experience in making his own reads came on the zone read where he looked for simple keys to make quick decisions. The majority of the season he managed to turn scripted plays into busts that he depended on his athleticism to ad lib his way to a positive gain which won't work many times against a Pro defense. Also, his adjustment to playing under center will take him out of his comfort zone and obviously effected his accuracy based off of his combine performance. He is a very talented football player, but I think he is a HUGE gamble as a QB. Much more so than Tim Tebow as he doesn't bring the morals and work ethic along with him. I think with his speed and measurables, he could be an outstanding H-back in the right offense that features one. He also provides a good option for pro teams that like to inter-mix the wildcat into their playcalling as it puts him back in his comfort zone and makes use of his talents. But, he has a long way to go and a lot of work ahead of him to become a consistently successful QB at the next level. There have been some successful rookies in recent years, but that is by far the exception to the rule. Picking a spread QB with only one year as a starter against D1 defenses is a gamble for many reasons. Had Andrew Luck decided to come out, I think the Panthers would have considered using their draft choice on him, but the remainder of the draft QB class is not worthy of a #1 pick (IMO). I think Cam is a boom or bust type of player at QB. Not that they have much to lose, but IMO it is too big a risk for the Panthers to take Cam #1 overall. Plus taking another new QB doesn't help them at the position which is already full of inexperience with Clausen and Pike having only one NFL year under their belts. Matt Moore was supposed to be the starter last year but early poor play and injury opened the door for Clausen to be baptized by fire. I could see a trade in the future to bring in a veteran QB to give Calusen and/or Pike adequate time to learn the NFL game before they would gamble on another unproven QB with a top pick. I really see them looking for a dominant DT (Fairley or MD) or DE (Bowers) first. Coach Rivera is a 3-4 guy, but has stated that Carolina will stay in a 4-3 base due to its current personnel. To me, that doesn't rule out the change in the future once the right personnel are acquired. Dareus obviously fits the bill for that future once they can find that elusive 3-4 nose tackle to make it all work. Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: che boludo on March 16, 2011, 11:50:17 AM I wouldn't be surprised if they pick him. This fanchise management is awful and is competing with Cincinatti, Oakland, & Jacksonville to be the worst in the NFL. :o http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/273150-panthers-more-likely-to-hold-pick-take-newton?eref=fromSI (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/273150-panthers-more-likely-to-hold-pick-take-newton?eref=fromSI) I think it is hard to beat out Oakland for the worst management in pro sports, but I agree that the Panthers haven't made many great decisions with personnel. That said, I agree with the point to which your link alluded. I think the courting of Cam is a bit of showmanship to draw interest from other teams that covet Cam more. Cincy may want to trade up due to issues with Palmer and Cam might be what they are looking for to shake things up. They'd get the #4 pick and something else to boot. They could still fill their needs as well with #4 choice as they could the #1 choice...but they may have to take Fairley as the Bills will almost certainly take MD if he is available. But, if I were associated with the Bengals, the though of having the ochocinco, TO, and Cam's attitudes all confined to one locker room would be too much to bear. However, the Cam to Shipley combo could become the best in the league as Jordan has proved he can work very well with an improvising QB and even make a Garret Gilbert look like the second coming of Joe Montana at times. Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: SUPERCOACH on March 16, 2011, 12:07:15 PM It is easy to see the potential upside of Cam until you peel away the layers. You don't have to pull too many layers off until you are left with a basically unapologetic thief who continues to be deceitful and guarded with the "full" truth about his past activities, so obviously character issues become a concern. Every action he takes gives me the impression that his ego could be a cancer to team chemistry as (like the above said) he is not willing to take responsibility for his own actions, so his problems become the teams problems while his successes will be HIS successes. Then, you can't look past the fact that he is simply inexperienced as a QB. He has one year as a starter facing real competition and reading more evolved defenses (which he didn't really do as the plays were pre-called and audibled from the sideline). His only experience in making his own reads came on the zone read where he looked for simple keys to make quick decisions. The majority of the season he managed to turn scripted plays into busts that he depended on his athleticism to ad lib his way to a positive gain which won't work many times against a Pro defense. Also, his adjustment to playing under center will take him out of his comfort zone and obviously effected his accuracy based off of his combine performance. He is a very talented football player, but I think he is a HUGE gamble as a QB. Much more so than Tim Tebow as he doesn't bring the morals and work ethic along with him. I think with his speed and measurables, he could be an outstanding H-back in the right offense that features one. He also provides a good option for pro teams that like to inter-mix the wildcat into their playcalling as it puts him back in his comfort zone and makes use of his talents. But, he has a long way to go and a lot of work ahead of him to become a consistently successful QB at the next level. There have been some successful rookies in recent years, but that is by far the exception to the rule. Picking a spread QB with only one year as a starter against D1 defenses is a gamble for many reasons. Had Andrew Luck decided to come out, I think the Panthers would have considered using their draft choice on him, but the remainder of the draft QB class is not worthy of a #1 pick (IMO). I think Cam is a boom or bust type of player at QB. Not that they have much to lose, but IMO it is too big a risk for the Panthers to take Cam #1 overall. Plus taking another new QB doesn't help them at the position which is already full of inexperience with Clausen and Pike having only one NFL year under their belts. Matt Moore was supposed to be the starter last year but early poor play and injury opened the door for Clausen to be baptized by fire. I could see a trade in the future to bring in a veteran QB to give Calusen and/or Pike adequate time to learn the NFL game before they would gamble on another unproven QB with a top pick. I really see them looking for a dominant DT (Fairley or MD) or DE (Bowers) first. Coach Rivera is a 3-4 guy, but has stated that Carolina will stay in a 4-3 base due to its current personnel. To me, that doesn't rule out the change in the future once the right personnel are acquired. Dareus obviously fits the bill for that future once they can find that elusive 3-4 nose tackle to make it all work. Another good post che. Blogworthy in fact. Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: Terrie1959 on March 16, 2011, 12:14:32 PM It is easy to see the potential upside of Cam until you peel away the layers. You don't have to pull too many layers off until you are left with a basically unapologetic thief who continues to be deceitful and guarded with the "full" truth about his past activities, so obviously character issues become a concern. Every action he takes gives me the impression that his ego could be a cancer to team chemistry as (like the above said) he is not willing to take responsibility for his own actions, so his problems become the teams problems while his successes will be HIS successes. Then, you can't look past the fact that he is simply inexperienced as a QB. He has one year as a starter facing real competition and reading more evolved defenses (which he didn't really do as the plays were pre-called and audibled from the sideline). His only experience in making his own reads came on the zone read where he looked for simple keys to make quick decisions. The majority of the season he managed to turn scripted plays into busts that he depended on his athleticism to ad lib his way to a positive gain which won't work many times against a Pro defense. Also, his adjustment to playing under center will take him out of his comfort zone and obviously effected his accuracy based off of his combine performance. He is a very talented football player, but I think he is a HUGE gamble as a QB. Much more so than Tim Tebow as he doesn't bring the morals and work ethic along with him. I think with his speed and measurables, he could be an outstanding H-back in the right offense that features one. He also provides a good option for pro teams that like to inter-mix the wildcat into their playcalling as it puts him back in his comfort zone and makes use of his talents. But, he has a long way to go and a lot of work ahead of him to become a consistently successful QB at the next level. There have been some successful rookies in recent years, but that is by far the exception to the rule. Picking a spread QB with only one year as a starter against D1 defenses is a gamble for many reasons. Had Andrew Luck decided to come out, I think the Panthers would have considered using their draft choice on him, but the remainder of the draft QB class is not worthy of a #1 pick (IMO). I think Cam is a boom or bust type of player at QB. Not that they have much to lose, but IMO it is too big a risk for the Panthers to take Cam #1 overall. Plus taking another new QB doesn't help them at the position which is already full of inexperience with Clausen and Pike having only one NFL year under their belts. Matt Moore was supposed to be the starter last year but early poor play and injury opened the door for Clausen to be baptized by fire. I could see a trade in the future to bring in a veteran QB to give Calusen and/or Pike adequate time to learn the NFL game before they would gamble on another unproven QB with a top pick. I really see them looking for a dominant DT (Fairley or MD) or DE (Bowers) first. Coach Rivera is a 3-4 guy, but has stated that Carolina will stay in a 4-3 base due to its current personnel. To me, that doesn't rule out the change in the future once the right personnel are acquired. Dareus obviously fits the bill for that future once they can find that elusive 3-4 nose tackle to make it all work. # for the great post Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: ricky023 on March 16, 2011, 09:33:07 PM Well maybe these teams needs a less than good player. I don't know. RTR!
Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: XBAMA on March 16, 2011, 10:21:20 PM Quote The majority of the season he managed to turn scripted plays into busts that he depended on his athleticism to ad lib his way to a positive gain which won't work many times against a Pro defense. that is the part I can't wait for , a good pro D that hits his smiling jack azz like a freight train ;D Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: Marshal Dillon on March 16, 2011, 10:27:27 PM Well maybe these teams needs a less than good player. I don't know. RTR! They need a solid defensive player, not some headcase like Cam. I'm sure Crolina will screw this up, somehow. Title: Re: Carolina Panthers Will Hold Pick, Select Cam Number One-Link Post by: Chechem on March 17, 2011, 05:26:22 AM Like I've said before, "If Carolina was good at draft picks, they wouldn't be picking first."
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