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About time I heard something like this is being done. Now, what about Paterno, does he get a free ride?


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Curley-Schultz-step-down-amid-Penn-State-sex-abuse-scandal-110611

Great follow-up story. I was asking the same questions. Paterno has to go, period. He's a fraud and should have been arrested, too.

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Like Victim 2. A Penn State graduate assistant coach shows up at the football locker room unexpectedly, and hears slapping noises from the shower. Here’s what the report said:

“As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.’’

The assistant fled in fear and confusion. Much the same way a janitor fled after allegedly witnessing Sandusky engaged in a sexual act in the showers with a “young boy” — Victim 8, later described in the report as being “between the ages of 11 and 13.”


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-football-sexual-abuse-scandal-tim-curley-gary-schultz-how-could-administration-let-it-happen110511

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That makes me sicker to my stomach than Saturday's game.  :(

If found to be true, this could be JoePa's undoing. He might have reported it to Curley, but he didn't notify the police either.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_sandusky_penn_state_presence_last_week110711

Penn State needs a total fumigation with the removal of the University President, Paterno, the AD, and anyone else even remotely a part of this. This is ghastly.

UPDATE: The Heat Starts on Joe Paterno


[color=purpleThere should be no surprise that protecting Joe Paterno, Penn State, Happy Valley and Linebacker U — profit-generating institutions at the core of big-time college athletics’ amateur myth — appears to have taken precedence over the protection of children.][/color]


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jason-Whitlock-Penn-State-sex-scandal-Jerry-Sandusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711


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Paterno press conference tomorrow. If he is "a little bit in touch" with reality then he will resign. If he does not, the Board of Trustees will have to step in and fire him.

Lord have mercy, this is just absolutely disgusting. I would have hoped that JoePa would not be part of a coverup, but if so, then he is nearly as culpable as Sandusky in the abuse of these children.

I've known about this Sanduskey thing for 3,4, or 5 years. How could Paterno NOT have known?

A Fallen Hero! How 'bout a monster preying on little children!

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Bingo!! You're right, but I don't see him resigning. I think he will defend himself and make the usual gratuitous statements about how bad he feels for the victims, which his dear friend and colleague of over 30 years raped. Paterno has to be fired, period.

It's kinda/sorta what I've been saying about Paterno the last few years, when his retirement comes up. He is obviously surrounded by people that only tell him what they think he'd like to hear. You see this with Presidents and their circle of confidantes. No one wants to say, "It's time Joe."

As a mom of three boys, I avoided reading about this.  I assumed it was child porn which was bad enough.  To see this thread title and read this...I'm just infuriated and deeply saddened.  I want to fricking burn Penn State to the ground.  JoePa, you are too fricking institutionalized if you think Penn State has jurisdiction over the rape of a child.  WTH?????  Clean House.  Burn the Stadium. Cut off his junk.  Concentrate on Basketball.  End of story.  Nasty old men.

I can see him saying " I haven't been the head coach here for the past 20 years and I haven't worn a headset in 25. I didn't know."

Sadly I have had to deal with this, due to my job. It still makes me sick to my stomach.

Continue to avoid it. It will make you sick and angrier than you were when you posted this. It's very upsetting.  :(

BlueWhite Illustrated>Lions Den

http://bwi.rivals.com/forum.asp?fid=439

Maybe 10 different threads going and none have anything to do with the near miss win against Illinois or the #12 PSU game with #19 Nebraska. Imagine being a fan. You had nothing to do with any of it, but this is what you're stuck with the rest of the season (or next 10 years).

Some bad times coming for PSU and I don't see JoePa weathering this.

Ok, I'm sitting here wondering how my kids could get into this situation.  I also have three nephews, 2 of whom are close to the age of these boys.  I just don't get it.  I won't even let my boys go into the kroger bathroom with a man in there.  The only places they are without me are school and church...and at church I am VERY careful about who is supervising my kids because church would be a super easy place for a pedo to infiltrate.  How are 10 year old boys left alone with people in an athletic program?  Are they relatives of the pedophiles?  Are they children of people who work in the athletic department?  I just don't see a scenario where I left my kids alone with somebody like that.  There had to be a connection to people at the athletic department.  And what piece of *(&% just sees a child getting raped and leaves because they are "uncomfortable."  I have seen a child getting BEATEN (not spanked, BEATEN) on the street and turned my car around to go confront them...and that was before I had kids as a 22 year old.  Where is the sense of protection toward a child over your own comfort.  Does not compute.  

ETA: This is how he came into contact:
"Sandusky sexually abused eight boys over 15 years through his charity for at-risk youth, authorities charged."

____terrible.

A GREAT statement from the State Police boss. He really nails Paterno.


Paterno may have fulfilled his legal requirement to report suspected abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, state police Commissioner Frank Noonan said, ''but somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child.''


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Police-say-Joe-Paterno-didnt-do-enough-to-stop-sexual-abuse-scandal-110711

from now on, we should only refer to them as State Penn.

The sqeaky clean Big 10 is having a bad year. Two of their top programs have crubbled. First tOSU and now this. JoePa will step down or be forced out. How can something like this get covered up. I can not think of a worse crime. There is a special place in hell for people like Sandusky and the people that let him get away with this for so long.

I'm expecting the following signs to be shown at football games:

PSU
Pervert
State
University


Pedophile
State
University

I hope the media goes after Penn State and Paterno like hungry wolves. Zero excuse for this.

I've posted continuously about seeing this 2,3,4, or 5 years ago. I remember this because I sent a link to my PSU buddy about it. While some are trying to say this is limited to Sanduskey and the circle of people in the AD at PSU, I say this:  If so much as one hair on a kid's head was harmed since I read/emailed the article I found on line, they ALL should be standing as co-defendants in ALL criminal prosecutions relating to this matter.

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I don't know the time-line on all this. When I first saw Sanduskey accused in an internet article I remember taking it as, "probably some financially strapped Mom trying to shake down the university for money". That happens a lot in sexual harassment cases, but parents are not so quick to say their kid was assaulted or raped when it is not true, particularly sons. Even for big money. It leaves a social stigma that the kid may never recover so chances were the parents believed what their son(s) said. Therefore, people close to all this, should have taken it serious and pursued it relentlessly. Sanduskey is criminally insane, the rest are just criminals. 

Couldn't agree more, WV.

Indicates to me that he does not understand the magnitude or seriousness of the situation. Again, people surrounding him need to make it clear, make him understand, before he makes a complete fool of himself. These things are NOT going away.

He should ask sweatervest how the head in the sand strategy works out.

Another sick, macabre twist in this story. Sandusky wrote an autobiography.




http://www.philly.com/philly/news/133357828.html?cmpid=15585797

More Breaking News on Penn State Child Rapes.

Here's the Grand Jury Report on the child rapes. Very tough reading due to the descriptive nature of the report. What a sick piece of sheet Sandusky is.






http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/Presentment.pdf

Wow, I just couldn't bring myself to read it after the start of the 2nd paragraph. Thanks MD for posting but I hope and pray, that the proper punishment is handed out for this if the truth is being told. I almost say for sure it is, if nobody is lying to the Grand Jury. OH my. RTR!

A pedophile using the title "Touched" for his autobiography?  That's just too much.  He was pretty much taunting his victims and thumbing his nose at the police, too.  Thought he was above the law...

Want to set an over/under (in days) until his family tries to say: He was himself abused as a boy... blah, blah, blah, ... not his fault.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16026185/biggest-question-in-happy-valley-who-watched-out-for-the-kids

Paterno weekly conference to be carried by FNC momentarily. (he has already said football questions only)

Good luck with that.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

I have a hard time believing that JoePa really thought this was going on and didn't do anything.  I know that someone told him and he reported it.  But he must have thought it was all a bunch of lies or surely he would have done something.  I would say that JoePa should have followed up on this more instead of passing it on, but I don't think it would be correct to say that he was part of the cover up.

Wow.  Did nobody think it was odd that a grown man was having young boys come over to his house to spend the night and then buying them gifts?!?  How could so many people have turned a blind eye and not said something to somebody?  So many people failed these kids.

This is sick and another black-eye against college football. I just don't understand some of the stuff that goes on. RTR!

Coach Crisp - I read and posted the story with the mother's interviews before I saw your post.  I've removed my post so as not to duplicate.  This is just so sad.  I was foreman of our grand jury earlier this year and we heard a case about a 70 year old man who raped his granddaughters until they turned thirteen then went to the next youngest.  He's a retired MINISTER!  Wonder how many other little girls he raped over the years?  We indicted him on 40 counts with his grandaughters.  There's no hell hot enough for people in authority who rape children!

 #+ hey stephens I had to e-cred ya on that one. I would however hope and pray that he truly accepts Jesus as Lord, because doing what he did is an abomination in our eyes God forgives anyone who is willing to fear him. God Bless!

I know that was a tough assignment listening to that hearing earlier this year.

There's no hell hot enough for people who rape anyone!


The story about  "victim one" who testified before the grand jury is so sad. Another person who this story reminds me of is Elizabeth Smart in Colorado who was kidnapped and abused. Then testifies at her assailant's trail.

EXACTLY!! That is exactly what he was doing. These sick, twisted perverts love to laugh at society and the police and in this case, openly taunted them with an "inside" joke. I fully expect this guy to kill himself, probably right after he's convicted and he's too much of a coward to go to prison and face large, burly men who will make him their sissy.

Fox News just reported that a 9th child has come forward with abuse allegations against Sandusky and the State Police are looking for more.


Update: Here's a link.



http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-planning-Joe-Paterno-exit-amid-sexual-abuse-scandal-110811

MD, is this the thread?  It isn't locked at all.  People can still post in here.

Yep, this is it. I thought my very first post had to be unlocked in order to change the title, but I was just checking and I can update the title from my last as new info comes out. I learned something new today.


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What I don't understand is these guys who saw incidents and walked away "confused."  That's not the time to walk away.  It's the time to bust some heads!

Oh, you want to change the title.  You can specify a title when you make a new post on this topic, but I don't think it will change the title of the original post.  It will still show up in the topic list on the Quad with the old title, but the recent posts box will show the new title.  I think that is how it works.

A scary, creepy thought came to my mind: did Sandusky set up this Second Mile charity for boys just to supply his perverted self with boys? I shudder at the thought...

That's exactly why he set it up. That's what child predators do, they go where the kids are or find a way to bring the kids to them.

ESPN info on this matter. It gets so unbelievable, it's like everyone at Penn State was living in a fairyland world, totally oblivious to Sandusky.



Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, who has been indicted on charges of sexually abusing eight boys over 15 years, had access to the team's weight room as recently as last week, according to reports.



http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207465/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky-was-campus-last-week-reports-say

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I think this is a wonderful post. To the point and full of rage, as it should be. I wish the folks at Penn State had your clear vision of this situation. I think you're right though, Paterno and the whole Penn State football crowd have become institutionalized since most of them have been with Paterno for 30 years or more. He even has a 60 year old son who is a coach on his staff. Incredible. You need to post more, we need your clear-sighted view of things.

I'm almost to the point that I can't even listen to this stuff about Sandusky any more. It is really making more sick and angry as I read more about this disgusting, perverted old man. I have a 4 1/2 year old, and to think about someone doing something like that to him is just beyond what I care to think about. I know we kid on here about the barn and tOSU and others for their run ins with the NCAA, but this is just far beyond anything to do with Cam or Terrell Pryor. This is going to end up the worst scandal in college sports (or maybe even sports in general) history.

Paterno should be placed on administrative leave and fired next week. This is unacceptable.

I am glad this is not our university, I sure remember when a trio of our coaches did things but this is so far out there. Closing the university is that normal for such a thing? I am just sickened about this. These people need prayer above and beyond my explanation. We should hate what happen, and set standards it could never happen anywhere else. Hopefully. RTR!

You know, Ricky. A minister I heard once said the perple who need prayer the most are the hardest to pray for. This is such a true statement. I, like you, as a Christian, find this situation abhorrent and absolutely evil. I cannot wrap my brain around why a grown man would hurt a child in this manner. There is a Bible verse about those who hurt little ones. I wish I could remember it but says it would be better for on these offenders to have a millstone tied around his neck and thrown into the ocean.

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!"

Matthew 18:6-7. Sandusky is reaping more woe than his worst nightmares. The damage that he has done to these children may never fully heal. I pity Sandusky because his mind is full of darkness and perversion, but at the same time I loathe him for what he has done to these innocents. But God will be his ultimate judge, and Sandusky will have to answer to Him for these crimes.

Thanks, crtunenan. That was the verse is was referring to. And you are so correct about his judgement.

You knew it had to happen. The number of victims has increased dramatically.


Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.
 
Slideshows: Rally At JoePa's Home | Coach Mobbed By Reporters | Suspects Surrender
 
There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.
 
Sources tell Fox 29 since a press conference on Monday, the number of potential victims has more than doubled in the case.



http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811


We need to find a good sturdy oak tree and we can fix this real quick.

This speaks volumes to me.  They would not let JoePa off the hook if he did something wrong.  Imagine hearing all of the testimony they heard about what happened to those kids.  If I were on that grand jury, and this happened at Alabama under Coach Bryant's watch, I would come out of my seat and beat the #$%@^ out of him myself if he knew about it and looked the other way.  I don't care how many football games or national championships he won.

What about his moral duty to do something as a man? Also, they may have let Paterno slide since he's 84 years old, just me guessing.

Remember grand juries only have to decide if there is enough evidence to go to trial.  It is a different standard than guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  If there was any evidence that JoePa was involved they would have indicted him on something.

I just can't believe he wouldn't do something if he really understood what was going on.  The fact that he did nothing makes me think he didn't understand what was really happening.

You are ignoring my question. What about his moral duty as a man to do something and not just "report" to his boss and then forget about it?

Again, I just can't believe he wouldn't do something if he really understood what was going on.  The fact that he did nothing makes me think he didn't understand what was really happening.

My only point is this:  we are all speculating about how much or little JoePa knew.  Let's wait until the facts come out and he has a chance to explain himself before we throw him under the bus.  If he knew about this and looked the other way or was negligent in following up on it, I will be the first one in line to punch him in his 84 year old mouth.

Did you see my link that they there are reporting 20 victims now?

I saw the link earlier but just now went back to read it.  Unfortunately there are probably just as many that would prefer to remain anonymous, if not more.

I did find this quote interesting:


Why would they charge those two with failing to notify authorities, but not JoePa?  It could be they felt sorry for him because he was 84 (highly unlikely in my opinion considering the crimes we are talking about), or it could be that they didn't think he was guilty of failing to notify authorities of the crimes.  :dunno:

Heads should roll, no doubt.  But let's make sure we get all of the right heads, and none of the wrong ones.  At this point I have no idea which group JoePa falls into, yet.

He had a chance today. They want to play games, we'll gas up the proverbial bus.

I see no harm in that.

Limbaugh defended CJP today, saying the liberal media just wants to tear down all that appears good in society, instead of improving all that is bad. Further, he alluded to a twist in this story that he said was obvious but has not been approached. I cannot imagine what he could be referring, but he sounded like there was more to be uncovered. How close is Paterno's son with the program and the charities surrounding the program? Just a thought.

Well I will tell you the twist I have been thinking about.  I have not formed an opinion yet as to whether it is correct or not.

What if JoePa really knew nothing about this, but the administration is using this opportunity to force him out under the guise of cleaning house after the scandal?  There are people on the BOT that have wanted to get rid of him for years, I would imagine.  The admins are the ones who are canceling his press conferences and won't let him talk to anyone.  Maybe they want to fire him before he tells his side and makes it obvious that he did nothing wrong.  Once he proves his innocence (assuming he is innocent), then they can't really fire him.  Not only that, they may be stuck with him for several more years.  Just a thought, I don't know if I agree with it or not.  But I'm sure we will see soon enough.

If JoePa is innocent he needs to talk to the press ASAP and clear his name, in spite of what the admins tell him he can or can not do.  The longer this goes on, the worse it will be on him.

I just read JoePa's full statement.  I had not seen this posted yet (SIAP):  http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/37765/joe-paterno-statement-on-sandusky-case

Unfortunately, this statement sounds like the lawyers got it first.  Maybe JoPa is just too old to make a comment on this from his heart.  I don't think this stance (as penned in the statement) will save his job.

CJP had his chance yesterday. He will have another today. If he does not address this in a substantial way (not just say the lawyers want him to remain quiet) then he becomes part of the problem,--not the solution. He said yesterday he and his son were working on a non-campus presser. IDK what that indicates.

This pretty much goes to the heart of the matter -- what did JoPa know.  If what he says is true, that he did not know any of the specifics, then perhaps he relied on the administrative staff to handle the matter.  And the criminal indictments bear this out -- administrative staff failed to report it.  They are the ones being prosecuted, not JoPa.  So likely he is viewed as an old guy who is the face of the program but not involved in actual decisionmaking.  Still you can sense the frustration of the prosecutors; they feel JoPa had a moral obligation to report what he did know; so even if he did not know the specifics (and therefore had no legal obligation to report), they feel the matter was swept under the rug by Penn State officials, and that JoPa should have played a bigger role than turning it over to administrative staff.

Honestly you have to wonder how much JoPa actually is involved in the program at his age, and how much of a figure-head he is, with the actual coaching conducted by his staff.  I've felt for years that he was just a figure head, with Penn State adding to his win column (for "bragging rights"), beating Bear Bryant's wins record, then staying ahead of Bobby Bowden.  But he may be a fall guy nevertheless -- Penn State needs a coach and not a figure head in the circumstances it finds itself.

If JoPa did nothing wrong he needs to be screaming he is innocent with or without the schools permission. He needs to hold a press conference ASAP and tell his side of the story. An innocent man does not stay quiet while his name is being drug through the mud.

Even if he is innocent he needs to step down. He is the head coach and that makes him responsible for what goes on in and around his program and facilities.

We only know about the tip of the iceberg. They are likely to be hundreds of young boys that were abused. Penn State needs to clean house and bring in a new coaching staff and administrators.

Right. He should have confronted Sandusky immediately, even if he had to get in his car and drive to his house.  If the allegations turned out to be baseless, Sandusky would still have appreciated a "heads up" from his friend (Paterno). Go to the police or raise 6 kinds of Hell until the higher ups got off their asses. Also, since this goes back maybe 5 years or more, he can't really hide behind the "I'm old and didn't understand" crap. Paterno is in a mess, unless everyone up there gives him a complete pass because he is Joe Paterno.

Paterno is stepping down after this season.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/09/report-joe-paterno-to-retire-at-seasons-end/?hpt=hp_c1

JoePa has been senile for a long time, even when the event in questioned happened. He should have retired a long time ago. He might have saved his legacy, not that his legacy can hold a candle to the importance and severity of Sandusky's reprehensible actions, or lack of actions by everyone else. JMO.

I think JoePa will address the Media when the Admin let's him. He is going to stand in support of his School and team. That being said, I also think he needs to clear his name ASAP. RTR!

This is right.  He is Penn State to the core.  He would gladly fall on his sword to protect Penn State if he could.

Exactly. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a 30-year-old man to understand that such acts that Sandusky is being accused of are heinous criminal acts deserve the attention not just of your higher ups but law enforcement as well.

It sounds like he is still having a hard time believing it.

"Penn State President Graham Spanier will resign or be fired today"

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/report_penn_state_president_gr.html

http://ology.com/sports/penn-state-president-graham-spanier-likely-resign-or-be-fired-today

I'm sure that once Paterno "retires" the football part of the Athletic Department will be completely cleaned out of Paterno pals, syncophants, hangers-on, and the like.


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Wow --the national conversation seems to be whether or not CJP finishes this season or hangs it up now. The conversation at this house is how many years of prison should a person receive for looking the other way while children are raped. No one here wants to hear about how the grad assistant stopped by JoPa's office just to let him know Sandusky and a young boy had plenty of soap and hot water.

 You hear minorities talking about how the courts show favoritism to the rich and powerful. I dismiss that as nonsense. But this is the type of case they are speaking. Further, Paterno is not the Queen of England. Stop the figurehead nonsense. PSU and their officiating crews have been cheating visitors out of football games for years. Now they have cheated maybe a score of young men out of their childhood - probably have turned them into monsters. Time to quit making or listening to excuses. Joe Paterno hasn't been charged with anything--he deserves prison time. 

This worries me.  I agree with much of it.  :dunno:

I with you, Chech. I am very worried. But MW is spot on this one.

Thanks fellas...I think? ???

these folks up there really kill me ... and they bitch about us over-signing

will that dumbazz at the ohio state start a web site now called over molesting dot com ?

I registered overcheating.com when sweatervest was still coach in case we needed to smack them down some.  I never did anything with it though.

Penn St. is sort of Buckeyesque in their PR handling of this matter. Both schools evidently thought they were too big to have to stop and deal with these little nuisances.

I am the last guy (I'm sure MD won't mind this time) to be correcting spelling errors but "sickophant" seems to work better here. Chech?

yeah ... I believe they think just that ...

but these words from one of the boys mothers are pretty powerful and I hope it
shames enough of them to do something ..


and this is what happens ... I'm really glad to see people doing it

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I'm posting this about Paterno being fired on this site.



http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state

I guess we need to find out in court documents to what is fact and what is rumor. Surely there are security cameras in areas if Sandusky is seen with children.

Most security camera footage is only kept for a short period of time in most places. That's the only problem with that. For instance, a lot of convenience stores have cameras in place. If the store isn't robbed or no drawers are significantly short, they will re-record over the video tape every 24-48 hours.

Another incredible twist in the Penn State/Sandusky child rapist story. Wow!



It is strange that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar never prosecuted Jerry Sandusky on child-rape charges 13 years ago, some speculate, because Gricar was known for being fiercely independent and hard on crime.

But it is even stranger that we cannot ask Gricar why Sandusky was not put behind bars, because the tough-as-nails district attorney disappeared in 2005. And though he was declared dead July of this year, his body has never been found.



http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html

This information is posted on another thread, but I don't think too many folks have noticed it, so I am posting the info here. Mods, feel free to combine that thread with this big thread.



On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.
 
What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."




http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

Hey MD, good job, but is this--but has anything been brought forth legally yet? RTR!

I would like to make some predictions about this whole situation:

1. Sandusky never goes to court but pleads guilty due to the shame for his family and the incredible number of persons who will come forward as witnesses. This means we will never hear from Sandusky the involvement of Paterno or others in the Pervert State administration.

2. Joe Paterno will be dead in 12 to 18 months due to the impact of this whole affair on him.

3. Sandusky kills himself rather than go to prison as a convicted child rapist.

4. Paterno's son Jay (who is also a coach at Penn State) will be somehow involved in trying to cover this up & protecting Sandusky.

5. Mike McQueary, the then grad asst is the WR coach for Penn State. Payback for not calling cops? (not a prediction, just wondering out loud)

6. A major purge of Paterno loyalists will occur in the athletic department.

7. I think it gets even sicker and uglier.


 :dog:

Believe it or not, I almost posted that the other night as a possibility as to why this was not stopped after the original incident.  I even had it typed up as part of my post.  But then I went back and removed that part because there were no facts to support it and it was only speculation on my part.  I thought the situation was bad enough without me throwing in something like that as a possibility.

There still aren't any facts to support it yet, but I would not be surprised if this turned out to be true.  The primary reason I deleted it was because none of the victims have said anything about other people being involved.  It seems like one of those 8 (now 20 or more) would have accused these other guys or at least mentioned that there were other guys.  So I don't think that happened in this case, yet.  That type of thing does happen though.

We're far from the bottom of this ugly mess.  The hole keeps getting deeper.  Expect my guess at PSU losing its football program to become reality now, if the pimping story is true.

We should take this quote out and place it in a stickie by itself, so we can conveniently check off MDs predictions.

I just watched Mark May on College Football Live and he was a man very upset and furious man. RTR!

Finally the national conversation has risen to prosecuting JoPa. Not whether or not he should finish the year coaching. I say PSU should ban Paterno from ever stepping on campus again. Sound harsh?

PSU branding is shot to hell--no one will want to wear a "pedaphile U" t-shirt or cap.

ADs around the country will be hesitant to play PSU. LOL-worrying about PSU fans putting a hand on your leg during the game. Subconscious guilt by association. Who is not glad our series is over with PSU?

Recruiting is over- you should be brought up on child abuse charges yourself if you leave a PSU coach alone with your kid.

Hiring a PSU grad? --right off the bat I see an initial distraction with the PSU jokes that will undoubtedly occur. Given two job candidates of equal qualifications, I'm taking the non-pedaphile U grad.

Contributions-- am I in a huge hurry to send money to a school that has made me the laughing stock of party jokes?

WE ARE... (word that starts with an F)

 

FEEL me?

Good point. It will be impossible to recover. When this is over, they may wish for only NCAA sanctions. This is on a whole different level.

Agreed WV. This is going to be the worst disaster in the history of college athletics, and it is going to hurt MUCH more than PSU's sports teams. This makes all the Albert Means/Antonio Langham crap here and the Cam/all the other players the barn has paid problems seem like getting caught chewing gum in school.

Isn't May a Pitt grad? Close enough. If Pitt guys haven't assaulted young boys, they were at least considering it.

BTW, my prediction that Sandusky would say he was abused as a boy has already proved out.

WE ARE FAMILY - Sister Sledge

Is this the song game thread?

http://www.kzep.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=9381382

well if they don't take it seriously in Pennslvania, you can always count on Texans to fry somebody.  I know, I live here.  These people do NOT play.

I have not seen much about the PSU GA, Mike McQueary, and his reluctance to stop a crime in progress. This board has focused primarily on Paterno, the AD, PSU President, and of course Sandusky.  The GA evidently saw a (at least statutory) rape in progress and failed to act. The story is, he waited until the next morning to go see Paterno at his house. Then, as I understand, related it to Paterno as "something of a sexual nature".

Could he have walked in, thought it was consensual, and decided it could wait. My first thought is that the Crimson Tide Athletic Department is hallowed ground, and if I saw THAT would HAVE to speak up, even if it were a man and a woman. Were these incidents so commonplace, that the GA had second (first) thoughts about interrupting?

Then McQueary tells Paterno. As I said earlier, does Sandusky fatigue come into play?  Does Paterno say to himself, "I'm just going to report it. I'm tired of trying to talk to Jerry about it."?


Bottom line going forward. All the fans or students squawking about McQueary are doing (JMO), in pointing at McQueary being allowed on the sidelines, is justifying the horrible judgement of Paterno, by pointing at worse judgement in McQueary.

Let me correct your misconception. A 10 year old can not give consent, so there is no statutory rape, it's rape, period. In Alabama, that's a Class A felony, the highest type of felony, except for capital murder, which is for a death penalty offense.

Thanks. I was trying to minimize it, to give this creep (McQueary) the most benefit of the doubt as possible, to make my point.

That's what I love about Texas. They are zapping 20-30 lowlifes every year, with no apologies.

 :clap:

the Madden guy that was in the pimping the kids story is tweeting that as long as
McQ is on the staff PSU can keep him quite , when/if he is out they are worried he will talk .
also that McQ's dad should be a major good source of info since the dad witnessed the
McQ and JP conversion about the sandusky shower incident

McQueary and the rest of the Paterno crowd will be history pretty soon.



http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-Mike-McQueary-won%27t-attend-game-111011

I hope Sundusky lives a long time in prison.



According to the criminal complaint filed last week, former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky faces a maximum of 460 years in jail if he is found guilty of all the sexual abuse offenses he has been accused of.



http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jerry-Sandusky-faces-460-year-maximum-jail-sentence-in-Penn-State-sexual-abuse-scandal-111011

Yep, now that Sandusky is facing charges of child rape by San Antonio officials, maybe he'll just get erased and Penn State can get back to football.

Things at Penn St. will not be as easily erased. CBS (Verne) couldn't let it go that our RBs Dad was in prison on a non-violent offense. You and I may not live long enough...

FIFY

True, but the big, electric eraser at Texas would help.  Or is theirs intravenous?

Lethal injection. Interesting news for Mr. Sandusky:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/texas-execution-ends-final-meal
WE ARE...

INMATES

I think officials in Pennsylvania should also be cross-referencing missing children and unexplained murders of children (boys) with Sandusky's schedules.

A few years ago, we saw on the news where a man killed somebody who was breaking into his neighbor's house. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy)  He got away with it.  If you check the link be sure to read the 911 transcript...pure texan.  A few years later a woman in my little suburb took a weapon from an assailant and mercilessly beat him with it.  Texans can get caught up in their own hype but I love their sense of justice.

What was it Ron White said about this? All the other states are trying to figure out how to put a moratorium on the death penalty. My state just added an express line!

This is the best description yet of what went wrong at Penn State and why.



The most powerful man on campus for decades was attempting to flex one last muscle in writing his own exit. This was merely the latest example of the football program setting the agenda.
   
And why not?
   
Hadn’t Paterno evicted Spanier and then-Athletic Director Tim Curley from his house when they came to collect the coach’s resignation following a dismal 4-7 season in 2004?
   
JoePa was unabashed — and never publicly refuted — in declaring that he would retire when he chose to do so, and not a second before.



http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/commentary_why_all_the_continu.html#incart_hbx


I've seen some of this coming from our fans when it comes to Coach Bryant and now Saban.

 :dog:

Follow-up on disappearance of missing District Attorney involved in Sandusky case.



http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/gricar_detective_looking_for_1.html#incart_hbx

A fresh start for Penn State?



http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_scandal_comments_what.html

I think the parallels he is drawing from have absolutely nothing close to those involving Pervert State university. Child rape is so overwhlemingly powerful and NOBODY is going to try to defend Pervert State and thier handling of this situation



Duke University. BP. Johnson & Johnson. Toyota.

All examples of institutions that rebuilt tarnished brand names in the wake of damaging controversies — or in the case of Duke, a firestorm that struck at the heart of the debate on race, sex and privilege in this country.

All present striking parallels to the child sex abuse scandal rocking Penn State University and threatening to topple a pristine reputation of excellence in classrooms and sports fields.

If the lessons endured by other institutions that have rebuilt shattered reputations teach one thing, it is that Penn State should be well poised to emerge largely unscathed from its crisis.  



http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/once-tarnished_brands_show_pat.html

New Interim President of Pedophile U. Introduced with Pennsylvania Governor present.


Penn State's interim president Rodney Erickson was introduced by university trustee board chairman Steve Garban to a standing ovation by trustees during their meeting this morning, the group's first public session since a child sex-abuse scandal exploded at the school.




http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_board_of_trustees_m_1.html

"Let's blame the victims" attitude not far off:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sister_of_sandusky_victim_talk.html#incart_hbx

I can't really blame a bunch of 19 and 20 year old kids for using stupid humor about this situation. It's a horrible matter and they know it and that's how young folks respond to this type of mess.


 :dog:

Eyewitness McQueary protected as a whistleblower? He's only about 9 years late in reporting this to authorities (and I don't mean Joe Paterno).



http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_assistant_coach_gra.html

Penn State Assistant Coach placed on leave.



Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary, a key witness in the child sex-abuse scandal that has engulfed the school, has been placed on administrative leave.



http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-places-assistant-coach-Mike-McQueary-on-administrative-leave-in-wake-of-chid-sex-abuse-scandal-111111

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO NUKE THAT da#@ PLACE ! 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7220097/penn-state-nittany-lions-rally-program

I understand if former Penn State players come forward to show support for the current players and the future of the football program. But to show support of Sandusky is just sick. I have seen enough. He is guilty. Even if he somehow gets off he is guilty in my mind. OJ and Michael Jackson were not found guilty in the court room but everyone knows they did it. Sandusky is the same way. How can former players support that man.  >:(

there is only one answer ... they are all pervs

Yeah, I saw that and just shook my head. He's like Paterno, out-of-touch.

 :o   that's insane...how about $100 to a children's charity, ya nasty freak!  >:(

The "Whiteout" didn't stop Alabama from winning 27-11!

Sandusky house vandalized. He's lucky it wasn't a molotov cocktail.



Police in State College today said that vandals had attacked the home of former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111111_Cinder_block_thrown_through_window_at_Sandusky_house.html


 :popcorn2:

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2011/11/mcqueary_tells_psu_wideouts_he.html

They need to cancel this game.  If anything bad happens it will only make this situation worse.  There is no good outcome that can happen if the game is played.  Even if the game is uneventful, the best case scenario is that they are criticized for continuing to put football at a higher priority than everything else.

I'm not a bug fan of vandalism-- Sandusky's house or not. Any attention drawn to PSU needs to be positive in nature or they "just keep digging".

I'm not sure there is any case at all to be made for Mike McQueary. But before I'm flamed for weakening my position:

Yes, we all agree he should have intervened at once. Stop it. He is a big boy- stomp a puddle in Sandusky.

Now this. It is likely that since he was a player, he has heard rumors of Sandusky. Everyone knows he likes boys. He finally sees it with his own eyes. The kid is not screaming for help. He is tortured by it-- talks to his Dad. His Dad says, "Enough is enough. Tomorrow we go to Paterno's house". They tell Paterno --not in the way Paterno says--but actually what he saw. He waits and nothing happens to Sandusky. His Dad says, "Well Son, we tried". Sandusky goes on his merry way.

I've already posted at least once, that I hope I would break it up and take the kid aside from Sandusky. But once this becomes accepted behavior (tolerated by Paterno and the athletic department) is McQueary supposed to risk his livlihood to change not an instance, but AN ENTIRE CULTURE at PSU?  This at least deserves him being heard out--unlike Paterno and his bosses. They deserve jail.

Try and remember--when you SLAM me, that I did not rape anyone. TIA                       

I would have been shocked right up until the time I hit Sandusky and yelled for the child to run.

I would have not even thought about my livlihood. More reason to stop it if you had heard stories before. He was 26 at the time and knows right from wrong.

Paterno waited 10 days before he went to the AD and VP after McQueary and his dad had the meeting....

I have read in 2 places that McQueary's dad went with him to Paterno's house. All the McQueary's need to do is tell the truth about what Paterno was told about the incident.

I don't know how I feel about McQueary. I have mixed emotions. He saw what he saw. He was upset about it and phoned his Dad. He and his Dad met with CJP the next morning. CJP turned it over to the AD. The AD and others talked to McQueary about it. Later in the same month the AD reported back to him that they had taken care of the situation. Should he have done more. Hindsight tells us yes. Keep in mind this was a young guy that most likely was trying to feed a family. He had a job of a lifetime and he was concerned that if he made any noise he was gone and blackballed by CJP. I'm leaning toward giving this guy a pass.

That wasn't too bad, Hank. Want another shot?


(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHYnfakzB-MPzfiKn4Uxor2YmmNAkVCZ-yd8YDBUGo2EBr3oFFOw)

Everyone getting all sanctimonious about him. It is not that cut and dried. They (the PSU people) are, in my opinion, trying to deflect attention away from Paterno. His excuse or story, is at least worth listening to--that is all I am saying.

I think all of their stories are worth listening too.  Then run the guilty ones over with the bus.

When I was 26, I was a surface electrician working on new prep plants in the coal mining industry with men from Alabama, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. I didn't take any crap mainly because I couldn't afford to because of my fellow workers, if you know what I mean!

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AvKAe66wdR_PIbI0uXDBkWIcvrYF?slug=pf-forde_penn_state_weirdest_game_ever111111

Everyone is wondering why McQueary has not been cut loose with the others. Fact is, many states have "whistle-blower" laws where the person that first reports a violation of the law is protected. McQueary, as far as we know, did not go to the police, but did report to someone of authority, what he saw. I don't know what the state of Pennsylvania's statutes on this are, but he may be protected.

They're a little rough around the edges--bless their hearts.

I read a very compelling hypothetical on some blog the other night.  Did you know McQueary grew up next door to Sandusky and was friends with Sandusky's sons?  What if McQueary was also a victim and experienced a PTSD moment when he saw the shower scene?  What if that is why he called his daddy instead of the cops?  I would imagine he'd be ashamed for people to know he'd been sexually molested by a man even though he had done nothing to deserve it.  Anyway, that really made sense to me.  Sometimes you are too close to a situation and it affects your judgment and reaction greatly.  They also said McQueary was known for bravery after having broken up a knife fight in a dorm...yet he wouldn't stop an unarmed man raping a child...that doesn't seem to fit together, does it?

Yeah, we're entering the 'wild-speculation' stage of this story.  Anything seems possible.  It's just too much crap to think about right now.

BTW, I heard on ESPN that someone threw a concrete block through Sandusky's window.  Ugly, disgusting, and sad.  :(

This story says MANY things about Penn State, mostly bad if you read clsoely.


To the outside world, it can be hard to understand the raw emotions playing out in State College this week. The national media, especially ESPN, has at times expressed outrage at the reaction of students and fans to the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

But in a town built by Penn State, where every facet of life involves the university, the world is not as black-and-white as it seems from a thousand miles away



This is the part that gets me.

Fueled by the university’s intellectuals, the town is a progressive anomaly in a conservative heartland, where the borough council is more apt to debate First Amendment rights than taxes.


And this.

 
Those basic tenants of life have also bred a sense of arrogance within the town, which — consciously or not — looks down its nose at nearby Altoona, Lock Haven, Williamsport and Lewistown.


Yeah, they're so much better than those uneducated factory-working, filthy coal miner types and anyone else who is not as blessed as a someone who has attended PSU.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/for_state_college_and_penn_sta.html

Yeah, I made a post on that yesterday, but my comment was, he was lucky it wasn't a molotov cocktail.

 :dunno:

Sorry to post it again.  I'm surprised that nobody has burned his house ( now that you mention it).  I hope they don't, but this mess is far from done.  Hopefully the riots are done, though.

I still think something else BIG will happen in this case. I'm sticking to all those predictions I made a couple of days ago. Plus, I think Paterno is more involved in this than anyone thinks.

 :think:

I agree with you MD.  There is a lot more to this case than what has been reported so far.  You don't cover something like that up for a decade without there being a lot more to the story.

The latest timeline has this going back to at least 1995, when Sandusky was caught but nothing happened.

This story is somewhat spooky. Everyone knew each other, almost like in-breeding a a giant level. All those jokes we make about Tennessee pale in comparison to the situation at Penn State. Everyone, and I mean everyone, was part of the problem & the cover up/ignoring the problem. Amazing.



And McQueary, a former quarterback for the team, is in such a different position. He grew up roughly a mile from Penn State football games. He went to State College High and was a teammate with Sandusky’s son.

You have to factor in the culture he grew up in. If you look at Penn State as the Catholic Church, and Paterno as the pope, and Sandusky as a cardinal, then what was McQueary — a graduate assistant on the football team at the time — supposed to do?


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-Jerry-Sandusky-scandal-shows-that-Joe-Paterno-Mike-McQueary-needed-to-do-more-111111


 :popcorn2:

There will be dozens of books and maybe some movies following this for years and years. Information on this scandal will trickle out for decades.

Already a SI writer, Joe Posnanski, living in State College and doing a book  about Paterno this very moment.

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

Didn't see this posted... ???

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7226363/lawyer-says-joe-paterno-law-team-try-use-potential-legal-loophole