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Title: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: hscoach on January 24, 2012, 07:00:32 PM
Are the accomplishments of CNS more impressive than CBB?  If you look at it CB did not have the scholarship restrictions that the present day coach has to work under.  This is in no way saying CB was not a great coach.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: cbbama99 on January 24, 2012, 07:07:36 PM
Are the accomplishments of CNS more impressive than CBB?  If you look at it CB did not have the scholarship restrictions that the present day coach has to work under.  This is in no way saying CB was not a great coach.

I'M MAD!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!

Seriously though, that is a good question to think about. I don't know that CNS has been MORE impressive. Yeah, there were no scholly restrictions, but that was true for every school during CPB's time. Those players could have gone to any other school, but chose to accept an offer from the Tide and to play for the best coach in the country. Plus, as we all know, great in HS does not always translate to college. Great coaching was a necessity. Now, having said all that, what CNS has done in the past few years with all the restrictions the NZAA has now  is nothing short of remarkable. In the end, I think you just have to say that each did well in their particular eras with the regulations that were in pacle at each time.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: hscoach on January 24, 2012, 07:16:47 PM
Are the accomplishments of CNS more impressive than CBB?  If you look at it CB did not have the scholarship restrictions that the present day coach has to work under.  This is in no way saying CB was not a great coach.

I'M MAD!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!

Seriously though, that is a good question to think about. I don't know that CNS has been MORE impressive. Yeah, there were no scholly restrictions, but that was true for every school during CPB's time. Those players could have gone to any other school, but chose to accept an offer from the Tide and to play for the best coach in the country. Plus, as we all know, great in HS does not always translate to college. Great coaching was a necessity. Now, having said all that, what CNS has done in the past few years with all the restrictions the NZAA has now  is nothing short of remarkable. In the end, I think you just have to say that each did well in their particular eras with the regulations that were in pacle at each time.
Great points.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Chechem on January 24, 2012, 07:41:38 PM

I liked 'em both.  HTH.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Bamaphile on January 24, 2012, 07:52:24 PM
I'm barely old enough to remember CBB.  I was 8 when he died.  I do remember, when I started watching Bama football at age 5, that I had the impression even then that we were the best team in college football and that we were just always supposed to be number 1.  We had just come off the back to back NCs in '78 and '79.  I think we're probably getting back to that now with the younger generation.  I would like to know, though, how much influence CNS has over life outside of football, like CBB apparently did from the stories I've heard.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Marshal Dillon on January 24, 2012, 08:25:32 PM
Are the accomplishments of CNS more impressive than CBB?  If you look at it CB did not have the scholarship restrictions that the present day coach has to work under.  This is in no way saying CB was not a great coach.



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Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: 2Stater on January 24, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
They both "ain't never been nothin' but winners"!


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: XBAMA on January 24, 2012, 09:54:03 PM
God we are lucky to have got these two Coaches and Coach Stallings too  :pray:


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Chechem on January 25, 2012, 05:02:10 AM

Following college football can be stressful.  All of us suffered through disappointing seasons, and those of us old enough to remember can cite numerous examples.

But today we are riding the crest of the best of Alabama football.  Enjoy it while you can.  It's never been better during the past 40-50 years.

(http://coacheshotseat.com/coacheshotseatblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PaulBryant1.jpg)


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: carl childers on January 25, 2012, 06:14:08 AM
It's tough to compare due to different eras and scholarship restrictions. Both were (and are) dominant in their time. Glad both decided to coach the Crimson Tide!


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: BAMADCHAMPSHIPS on January 25, 2012, 06:21:48 AM
Musburger that you??? :D


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: lstephen on January 25, 2012, 06:31:38 AM
My 2 cents, FWIW.  We won't know until Coach Saban's career is over and even then there will be room for debate.  Bryant had more players, true.  But Saban has to recruit better players than the rest of Div. 1 to compete for National Championships.  Plus, it is what you do with them that really matters.  Both are/were master motivators, strategists and tacticians.

Just really, really glad to have been around for both!

HSCOACH- Good question.  Helps pass the time til National Signing day.  Be working on another one for the time between NSD and Spring Practice!

ROLL TIDE!!! #+


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Old Tider on January 25, 2012, 06:33:45 AM

Following college football can be stressful.  All of us suffered through disappointing seasons, and those of us old enough to remember can cite numerous examples.


(http://bhamweekly.com/birmingham/imgs/media.images/608/ears-whitworth-227x300.widea.jpg)


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Chechem on January 25, 2012, 06:39:16 AM

Following college football can be stressful.  All of us suffered through disappointing seasons, and those of us old enough to remember can cite numerous examples.


(http://bhamweekly.com/birmingham/imgs/media.images/608/ears-whitworth-227x300.widea.jpg)

Yikes  :o :o :o

Giving me nightmares.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: 2Stater on January 25, 2012, 06:48:49 AM
No, no, not "Ears"!!!  :'(


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Jamos on January 25, 2012, 06:57:38 AM
Wow, the "Ears" era, that was some sooo bad.  :(


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: SeniorTSM on January 25, 2012, 07:01:33 AM
Well If Im correct CBB never had a losing season Except Junction (anywhere he coached). Has Saban done that?

I think they are both the same drivien type people and thats what it takes to Coach the Crimson Tide, because the Fans, the AD, and the BOT all demand that you win!

And the pressure Saban puts on himself to win is more than any of us could put on him, Bryant was just a man that hated to lose more than he loved to win.
And he was a Winner!



Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: td57 on January 25, 2012, 07:37:30 AM
Are the accomplishments of CNS more impressive than CBB?  If you look at it CB did not have the scholarship restrictions that the present day coach has to work under.  This is in no way saying CB was not a great coach.

I'M MAD!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!

Seriously though, that is a good question to think about. I don't know that CNS has been MORE impressive. Yeah, there were no scholly restrictions, but that was true for every school during CPB's time. Those players could have gone to any other school, but chose to accept an offer from the Tide and to play for the best coach in the country. Plus, as we all know, great in HS does not always translate to college. Great coaching was a necessity. Now, having said all that, what CNS has done in the past few years with all the restrictions the NZAA has now  is nothing short of remarkable. In the end, I think you just have to say that each did well in their particular eras with the regulations that were in pacle at each time.

Very good answer. I think the big difference between now and back then is the second and third tier schools being a little more competitive. All the major schools are still the major schools and coaching makes the difference. At Alabama we've had our fair share of great coaches, and we have one now.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: XBAMA on January 25, 2012, 07:49:22 AM
Well If Im correct CBB never had a losing season Except Junction (anywhere he coached). Has Saban done that?
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Coach Bryant in 1954 at Texas A&M 1–9 his first season
the closest Coach Saban has been is 6-6 in 1996 & 1998 at Michigan State
but two years later Coach Bryant had A&M undefeated 9-0-1 and first in
the Conference  
but in the pro's Coach Saban did have one 6-10 season in 2006
if we count pro games that is ...


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: td57 on January 25, 2012, 07:58:15 AM
When you look at the Bama program as a whole, not just CPB and CNS, you still get the same picture. Five coaches, Wade, Thomas, Bryant, Stallings, and Saban all won National Championships. All but Stallings have at least two. So CNS is continuing the Bama legacy. I agree with lstephen, until CNS's tenure is over you can't really compare him to CPB. CNS has 20 more years, 4 NCs and about 13 more SEC championships to go.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Jamos on January 25, 2012, 08:05:40 AM
Why compare the two? It is such a wonderful feeling for me to know that both coached at Bama and both were very succesfull in making Bama's legacy in football what it is today. Roll Tide!!!  :clap:


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 25, 2012, 08:20:20 AM
You're comparing apples to oranges.  CBB operated under the rules existing at the time, as did every other coach he competed against.  If anything, the ability of his competition to also stockpile talent would make it more difficult to have success annually, as teams would be more senior-heavy than they are today, and therefore any one player recruited was less relevant than it is today, where every player counts and freshmen see the field.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Chechem on January 25, 2012, 08:38:13 AM
Why compare the two? It is such a wonderful feeling for me to know that both coached at Bama and both were very succesfull in making Bama's legacy in football what it is today. Roll Tide!!!  :clap:

Finally, sanity.  :-*


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on January 25, 2012, 08:47:00 AM
Why compare the two? It is such a wonderful feeling for me to know that both coached at Bama and both were very succesfull in making Bama's legacy in football what it is today. Roll Tide!!!  :clap:

Finally, sanity.  :-*

Really good points, no reason to compare.

Like trying to compare Bama's '92 to '11 defense.


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: XBAMA on January 25, 2012, 09:34:48 AM
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 :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: cbbama99 on January 25, 2012, 10:45:38 AM

Following college football can be stressful.  All of us suffered through disappointing seasons, and those of us old enough to remember can cite numerous examples.


(http://bhamweekly.com/birmingham/imgs/media.images/608/ears-whitworth-227x300.widea.jpg)

I'm trying not to let this photo scare me. I keep repeating to myself "Coach Bryant came next, Coach Bryant came next ...."


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Chechem on January 25, 2012, 10:52:35 AM
Following college football can be stressful.  All of us suffered through disappointing seasons, and those of us old enough to remember can cite numerous examples.
(http://bhamweekly.com/birmingham/imgs/media.images/608/ears-whitworth-227x300.widea.jpg)

I'm trying not to let this photo scare me. I keep repeating to myself "Coach Bryant came next, Coach Bryant came next ...."

I've had a thought swirling in my head about this photo.  Years ago, when I was a child, a teacher told me she'd made an observation during recess.  She said that she'd noticed that the fastest kids were the ones with smallest ears.

I've remembered it my whole life, and it seems true.  Sometimes kids with large ears aren't slow, but the fastest ones seem to have small ears.  Anybody?

Hey, it's the slow season for discussion...  :dunno:


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: XBAMA on January 25, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
wind resistance ? drag ? but helps with guidance system ?


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on January 25, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Following college football can be stressful.  All of us suffered through disappointing seasons, and those of us old enough to remember can cite numerous examples.
(http://bhamweekly.com/birmingham/imgs/media.images/608/ears-whitworth-227x300.widea.jpg)

I'm trying not to let this photo scare me. I keep repeating to myself "Coach Bryant came next, Coach Bryant came next ...."

I've had a thought swirling in my head about this photo.  Years ago, when I was a child, a teacher told me she'd made an observation during recess.  She said that she'd noticed that the fastest kids were the ones with smallest ears.

I've remembered it my whole life, and it seems true.  Sometimes kids with large ears aren't slow, but the fastest ones seem to have small ears.  Anybody?

Hey, it's the slow season for discussion...  :dunno:

So slow we're going to start profiling kid's ears?  :dunno:


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Leewillie on January 25, 2012, 10:59:48 AM

Following college football can be stressful.  All of us suffered through disappointing seasons, and those of us old enough to remember can cite numerous examples.

But today we are riding the crest of the best of Alabama football.  Enjoy it while you can.  It's never been better during the past 40-50 years.

(http://coacheshotseat.com/coacheshotseatblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PaulBryant1.jpg)

I don't know.  It was pretty dang special back when I was in college (61-65).
Three national championships in 5 years and rooked out of another(1966).

But I love it now too. ;)


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on January 25, 2012, 11:05:01 AM
wind resistance ? drag ? but helps with guidance system ?

In 2004 after Kurt Busch won the Sprint cup he had his ears pinned back. I don't know if that was so he would be faster on the track or faster in commercials.

Didn't help his attitude any for some reason.

 :tinfoil:


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: XBAMA on January 25, 2012, 11:09:25 AM

Didn't help his attitude any for some reason.

 :tinfoil:

so , I guess we can discount the help with the guidance system  :dunno:


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on January 25, 2012, 11:25:58 AM

Didn't help his attitude any for some reason.

 :tinfoil:

so , I guess we can discount the help with the guidance system  :dunno:

Didn't help at all!


 #+


Title: Re: Don't want to make anyone mad here, but..
Post by: ricky023 on January 25, 2012, 12:24:37 PM
Different eras, and different problems. I do however love what have, who we have and where we are at this time. They will both be great coaches in the big field in the sky. lol, RTR!