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sources say there was allegedly a pool party and
AU players shot

 reporting Ed Christian has passed  Eric Mack was shot
not sure on what / who else


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Wow! I hope the Auburn folks are okay. Could this be a jealous boyfriend? Hopefully, it's not drug related.

1st word is a fight over a girl , we will have to wait for the real story ...

hear some recruits were there too

Ed Christian is not listed on the 2012 football roster. He was listed as a redshirt freshamn on the 2011 roster. Here's stuff on Mack & Christian:


http://auburn.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=425230



http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=5066161

I have to go to bed. Here's a site for folks who will be up late tonight to check periodically.



http://www.wsfa.com/story/18747849/shooting-at-auburn-apt-complex

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/at_scene_of_auburn_apartment_s.html

This was posted in the comment section (tifwiw):


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News reports still won't identify the dead or injured, nor details.  Twitter is about it this morning.

What a terrible situation. Prayers to the families.  :(

 :(  ditto   :pray:

This is a sad way to start a day.  :pray:

I read that the AU players or xplayers were trying to break up
a fight when they were shot
all rumors at this point but very sad either way ...

Prayers going out to the AU family  :pray:

Very sad - could happen anywhere. Prayers go out to the victims and families.

a pretty good on scene account of what happened  http://www.reddit.com/r/auburn/comments/uu71d/3_au_football_players_shot_1_reported_dead/
about half way down the page

I'm picking up bits and pieces from twitter suggesting that Mack has been shot but is doing better. Hope this is accurate.

I read that too and the third fatality is reported as not being a AU player

news conference at 11am cst

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Ed Christian


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Eric Mack

What a horrible situation. Prayers up for the families of the victims.

Here is a more in-depth report on the shooting. Strangely, this is from a British newspaper.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157137/Auburn-apartment-shooting-Gunman-run-football-players-shot-dead-fight-girl.html

The Brits jump at the opportunity to denigrate US gun laws. See the comment section of MD's link.

I made a comment. I don't think they liked it. They didn't post it.  >:(

DId they ever catch the shooter?

I am just now getting into the news cycle on all of this. What a horrible, horrible situation. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of these young men. And as much as I like to kid them, they are also with the Auburn team and fans, as well. This goes well beyond something as insignificant as football. Just like so many at Auburn prayed for the people up in t-town last year after the tornado, we should band together and pray for them during this dark hour.  :pray: :pray: :pray:

not as of the morning , they have a manhunt on for him
he is considered armed and dangerous with priors

I just pray for the family members and the shooter because his life is over. They did this over what, some idiot idea. God help us our young people in sports go from the ghetto to fame and go absolutely crazy. I'll be honest, I am not sure of any other way to stop this other than Prayer. This to me is awful. God Bless. RTR!

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I don't get it.  Senseless.

And it's not about gun control.  It's about idiot control.

Bingo.

An update. Shooter still at large.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8038627/two-arrested-auburn-tigers-shooting-case-suspect-desmonte-leonard-large

sad deal there. There was a barner at my office at lunch today that made the comment that when they heard about it all they could think was "I sure hope none of them are key players."  You can't make this crap up.  I was like  :o  I hope none of our fans would react that way, but I'd not be surprised if they did.

Been back-packing in the Amazon?
Coming off a 3 day drinking binge?
Captured by Aliens and just escaped their UFO?
Made a wrong turn on Interstate and ended up in Arkansas at the filming of Deliverance 2?


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They're Aubs; they say stupid stuff.

It's natural, though, in a way.  When a plane crashes overseas everyone wants to know if any of the 300 killed were Americans. 

All of the above except the last one.  ;)

Nah, I've just been away from the tv and news. I heard a little about this yesterday afternoon, but didn't follow up on it until early this morning.

Let the idiot have a gun and then control him?

Would you feel better if he had killed them with a knife or baseball bat?    :dunno:

My thoughts and prayers for those involved....very difficult time for everyone....prayers sent!

Personally I feel as though at times like this













....I hate auburn on the field, but, this is all together a different matter and  a very hard time , and has affected a lot of people....my prayers truly go out to the families involved

What has gottfriedsucks or Marshall Dillon posted in this thread that might project a bad image of the Bama nation?

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True enough.  Deliverance was filmed on the Chatooga River, on the Georgia-South Carolina border.  I've been rafting on that river... didn't hear any banjos though.

you have to forgve pappy...he's getting old and knows not what he does sometimes.

Dude, please. Do you REALLY think some punk ass with a bat or knife would have killed 3 people and mortally wounded another? You can't be that stupid.

Sounds like you have a problem with an armed citizenry. Thugs shooting other thugs is certainly an unintended outcome,-- but that does not bother me much.

I don't think the number of dead and injured is the issue here. Just sayin...

By thugs do you mean black folks?  Because i see no evidence that the "thugs" who were gunned down were nothing more or less than three guys enjoying some time with friends. Yes, i am against people carrying handguns on their persons or in their vehicles. They are useless for defense and kill countless innocent people who would otherwise be alive.

That will be that for me, respecting the board. 

While I respect your respect for the board, would you mind explaining the part of your post that I bolded? Seriously, I'm very curious about what makes you think that.

Apparently the shooter has turned himself in.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8045072/alabama-man-suspected-auburn-shootings-killed-3-turns-in

thank God , great news 2  !

This kid's attorney will be working her azz off trying to keep him from the death penalty.

3 cap charges on his head ?  good luck miss lawyer woman   :dunno:

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in general population at Holman ? that toast probably has a better chance of survival  than he does  :dunno:

We need to watch some of this language now, my grandkids read this stuff also. This a bad thing to happen and there needs to be some hefty punishment and when he stands before God he will really be in trouble of that judgement. RTR!

I hate to burst your liberal bubble, but yes multiple murders have occurred with someone using a knife/machete, and/or bat. This has occurred in the USA, England (cricket bat), India, Philippines, etc. Also, you failed to mention the thousands of lives saved every year because someone had a firearm. I have personal experience in this area.


According to a study by criminologist Gary Kleck of Florida State University, there are approximately 2.5 million cases of people using firearms for self-defense in America each year. Also, according to the Department of Justice’s 2007 Uniformed Crime Report, states with right-to-carry laws have a 30 percent lower homicide rate, as well as a 46 percent lower robbery rate.


http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/14664/statistics-show-concealed-carry-saves-many-lives-takes-few


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 #+, well done MD. Those numbers are staggering. Where I live out in a rural area most everybody knows all the other neighbors and they keep watch. Some of these ol boys that watch haul guns in trucks and cars and if they catch somebody doing something to their friends they shoot these guys and dump them. They are good ol boys but they are as mean as a Copperhead Snake. RTR!

I know you would like to turn my view to racism-- liberals always hide behind that. This "party" was likely more of a public disturbance in a parking lot than a party, and right thinking, non-thuggery would have dismissed themselves long before things reached the thug outcome that it did. Most people I know stand a far greater chance being killed at work or in a toaster wiring, electrical mishap.

Where's Jesse? Where's the Rev Al?

His defense prob. gonna be, "well, he did not have a Big Wheel when he was 4 yrs old, and his Daddy abandoned the family.

I say turn him loose and let the "concerned citizens" of Lee County take care of the problem.

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Here is what I don't get about idiots who claim we need gun control and its the guns fault. 
1. the gun aint a living being so the gun doesn't kill...people who pull the trigger kill.

2. if they outlawed guns all together...who is going to follow the law?...I say law abiding citizens would follow the law right?  are law abiding citizens the ones killing innocent people or is it thugs and criminals?.....well I do declare I think the thugs and criminals aka the NON law abiding citizens are the ones doing the crimes right?  in that case, what the hell makes anyone think that if there were a law that you can't own a gun that these thugs and criminals would obey the law and turn in their guns?????????  That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and just plain ole common sense would tell you that it wouldn't work.  you do that and the only people that would have guns would be the thugs. it would make it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns, but criminals can still get guns just like peolpe can still get drugs relatively easy and drugs are illegal.  how is that working out?

How about we start making the punishment for all crimes more severe?  Just a thought.

Ricky , anyone else , join me in a short Prayer ...

Dear God , please don't let Desmonte Leonard be a Alabama fan
thank you , in your name we Pray , Amen

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Okay. Why do I think guns are useless for defense? Unless an assailant gives you advanced notice that he is about to attack you or enter your home, he will have his gun on you before you can ready yours. If you actually follow the rules for safe keeping of a weapon you stand no chance of using your gun in effective self-defense. Hand guns are problematic precisely because they are highly effective OFFENSIVE weapons.

As for the absurd claim about cricket bats, sure, you can kill someone with an iron skillet too. But let me ask you this: your son or daughter is at the party where Desmonte Leonard shows up. You can arm him with a 9mm or a cricket bat. What's your call?  Don't insult our intelligence. No one in the world would choose a gun attack over a knife or bat attack, especially when, as was the case in Auburn, the defenders have both numbers and strength on their side.

As for the tired out saws about guns dont kill people and only criminals would have guns, blah blah blah, the fact is that guns make killers more effective at killing. The "people" in the "people do" part of the saying are way less likely to kill you without a gun.   The argument is made that we can control killers by imposing stiffer criminal penalties on people who kill others.  Why would anyone who makes that claim not also believe that illegal gun possession could also be suppressed with stiffer crimal pentalties. I believe in enforcing anti gun laws before someone gets dead, rather than enforcing laws for after someone gets dead.

The claim that 2.5 million people annually successfully defend themselves with a gun. There are approx 80 million gun owners in the US. So we are to believe that every year 1 in every 32 gun owners defend themselves with their weapon? Not buying that. As for murder rates, why not compare us to Canada and Britain? Canada is particularly instructive because hunting is a cherished activity there and there are no laws limiting the sporting use of firearms.

Ah yes, typical liberal "logic." When you don't like the facts, you either ignore them or claim they are wrong, but you can never seriously challenge their authenticity. The study was conducted at Florida State by a professor of criminology. FSU has a very well-known & respected College of Criminology & Criminal Justice. The study was cited in a recent Supreme Court decision involving the gun ban in Wash., DC. Even Justice Stephen Breyer (Ted Kennedy liberal) said when D.C. initiated the gun ban in 1976, crime went up, but he still did not beleive the gun ban was totally responsible (apparently just a big coincidence). You forgot to challenge the FBI stats that show more robberies and other crimes more prevalent in states/cities with tough gun laws. An innocent oversight on your part, I'm sure. Right now, Chicago is under a HUGE violent crime wave which resulted in the National GUard being called in to help with the violent crime problem. Oh, did I mention, Chicago has a gun ban, just another meaningless coincidence, I'm sure. There are facts after facts about this issue, but liberals like yourself prefer to live in a world of denial to anything which contradicts your ideas on this issue. By the way, it's impossible to compare the USA to Canada or England due to the extreme difference in demographics. Blacks (12% of the US population) commit half of all murders in this country. Using your logic, we should ban black people from owning guns, right?


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That was one motivated murderer. If any bleeding heart liberal thinks additional gun laws would have stopped that guy, you must have rocks in your head. I promise he was already violating a slew of gun possession laws before he ever pulled the trigger. The only thing that may have saved a life or two is someone else in the crowd carrying a weapon. One gun in the hands of a criminal-- 50 people unarmed-- that seems to be the odds libs want you to face. You never really see anyone decide, "Hey, lets go rob the gun show"!

I guess my question about all of this is who started the fight, who hit who first.

It's sad that three people died but who actually initiated the fight with the first lick to cause these three people to die.  :dunno:

you seem to be assuming that all murders are gun related and any suggestion otherwise is false  :dunno:

yes, if criminals didn't have guns they wouldn't use guns to kill, but if someone wants to kill someone else and they don't have a gun, there are lots of ways to do it....and if you are going to respond to my post then why not respond to all the points? specifically the point that if you had more gun control laws that the only people that would obey the laws would be the non criminal/thug type.  the type of person that would kill someone is not going to turn his gun in.  secondly if guns were illegal....you know like drugs are...people could still get guns illegally just like people get illegal drugs very easily I might add.  I'm sure you are a swell guy, but you seem to not have a lick of common sense on this subject.

short answer...thugs bein thugs.

the most consistent story I have heard is that the shooter was hittin on one of the football player's girlfriend....one boy hit him in the face and one of the players hit him and his "homie" upside the head with beer bottles from behind and then the little thug pulled out his gun and started shooting.  a guy called finebaum yesterday and said he knew about 10 people at the party and they all pretty much told that story which was the same story that was told by the shooter's friend that called finebaum on Monday.

They was keepin it real.

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What's the girl look like?

Hotter than a two dollar pistol!!!

Well then I'm guessing that the two guys that hit on the girl are the same in size as the two that hit them with their fist and a beer bottle.  :dunno:

They interviewed on TV one of the guys who admitted to being in the fight. His last name was Vines. He stated that he and his friend named Pitts got in the fight with the shooters. Vines stated he punched one guy in the face and Pitts hit the other with a beer bottle. Pitts was killed but Vines never got a scratch. Fate is very fickle. Two guys who did nothing are killed and another is shot in the head and fighting for his life at UAB. Sad.

according to Woosy's homie (woosy is the shooter's nickname) he is about 5' 9" and 140lbs.

The point I'm trying to make out of this is that if the first punch had not been thrown, no one would have died and most of all, the dude that hit the other with the beer bottle is what brought the gun out. A good lawyer will definitly pursue self defense for the two that crashed the party and I'm not siding with these two at all but all of this could have been prevented by a single phone call to the police to remove the two party crashers from the premiss.

Jealousy, booze, drugs, and big egos can be a deadly formula which we all have now witnessed at that fateful party.

Thugs..calling the police? really!  And what color is the sky in your world?

Most of the time, the police cannot even get witnesses to tell what they saw when they were 5 ft from a crime.

While this is all senseless, it happens often..especially in certain communities..the facts prove it. It is up to the people who live in these communities to put a stop to the craziness..but that ain't gonna happen any time soon.

You are labeling all of the people at this party as being thugs, then I must assume that you were there as well to witness all of this. There didn't seem to be a problem of calling the police after the shootings occured by these same thugs.

I haven't followed, nor bothered to read, all of the details of this shooting.  But it appears to be another example of what happens in most major cities nightly: people using guns to solve minor problems.

Regardless of your stance on gun control, it's most upsetting that young people are killing each other.  It's not just drugs, but that's related.  It's not just Black kids.  Seems that it's becoming too easy for young men to raise a gun to solve their problems.

Parents needed?  Economy?  Religion?  It's ugly.

Then we'll see you when you get home.









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