Bible Copyright Violation

[Hannibal Lecter, MD]

Ricky, you or one of the mods may want to delete your personal information from the message above.

I don't think that Biblica's policy concerning a version of the Word that they spent millions to produce is unfair.  And based on the email above from Biblica, I don't think they'd have an issue with what was being done on this site.  I do think this is most likely an instance of an automated function of Google being overly conservative with copyright infrigement.  

If any of you have the popular "Bible" app (from YouVersion), some versions are a little more restrictive than others.  They offer (just estimating) 50-60 versions of an English translation, of which about 30-40 are downloadable to use on your phone while offline.  The NIV is one that is more controlled and not downloadable, so each time you read a passage it is downloaded from a controlled server.  I have 10-15 versions downloaded, but I do like to use the NIV often times when I have a data connections (unfortunately the connection is poor inside the church I worship with).  I do love the ability to flip back and forth between several versions with ease to get the maximum possible effect of the Word.  Sometimes a little different wording just seems to strike a little more passion or conviction within me.

[pmull]

I think Biblica gave Ricky a good, fair, accurate and honest response to his question. I thought their response was professional and in good taste.

I don't think we broke any of their rules since no one profitted from the posts. Our intentions were good although against the law. I agree with HL that a Google search of some type flaged these posts and Google trying to do their job asked for it to be stopped.

[ricky023]

Hey HL, thanks so much. I did not realize I posted all my personal stuff. I know you guys are fine, but as you think some people would not be so friendly. Again thanks my friend. RTR!

[SUPERCOACH]

I don't think what we did was against the law, actually.  Nor against their policy.  You can post ANY copyrighted material for the purposes of education and public discussion.  That is exactly what we were doing.

However, there isn't really anything I can do about it.  I'm sure this was all computer generated, and it won't change unless real live people get involved and override the computers.

[ricky023]

I don't think what we did was against the law, actually.  Nor against their policy.  You can post ANY copyrighted material for the purposes of education and public discussion.  That is exactly what we were doing.

However, there isn't really anything I can do about it.  I'm sure this was all computer generated, and it won't change unless real live people get involved and override the computers.

Hey Sc, I was not working to get by the computers, what hit me was the wording and it was almost to me like they were keeping Gods' Word for charge. That really hit me in the heart and I just had to know who was running that kind of company. I do hope this will be a help for us all when we copy and paste. I know it will me, cause I'll come a hollerin SC, SC, what is right? rofl. RTR!

[SUPERCOACH]

After thinking about this some more I'm not sure if we were within the law or not.  Maybe we were wrong after all.  When you think about what we did on a daily basis, it was no big deal and certainly a fair use.  I believe their policy even allows for that explicitly as long as you don't copy over 500 verses or a complete book.  So a chapter it certainly within that allowed range.

But on the other hand, when you think of all of the postings together, we had almost the entire New Testament posted on here.  In light of that I am now leaning toward thinking we were in the wrong, although it was certainly an honest mistake by well meaning people.  I suppose the correct way to handle it would have been to just post a link to biblegateway.com each day since they have a license to show the NIV.

[pmull]

The ads are back. Does that mean we are back in good grace with Google?

[Hannibal Lecter, MD]

After thinking about this some more I'm not sure if we were within the law or not.  Maybe we were wrong after all.  When you think about what we did on a daily basis, it was no big deal and certainly a fair use.  I believe their policy even allows for that explicitly as long as you don't copy over 500 verses or a complete book.  So a chapter it certainly within that allowed range.

But on the other hand, when you think of all of the postings together, we had almost the entire New Testament posted on here.  In light of that I am now leaning toward thinking we were in the wrong, although it was certainly an honest mistake by well meaning people.  I suppose the correct way to handle it would have been to just post a link to biblegateway.com each day since they have a license to show the NIV.

You're probably on the right track with your thinking, SC.  Nothing malicious was being done, but slowly but surely the entire Bible was being accumulated here.  Just linking Bible Gateway seems like a good idea.

[SUPERCOACH]

The ads are back. Does that mean we are back in good grace with Google?

Yes, I got the notification from them a couple of hours ago.

[ricky023]

SC I hope a Super Bible that was given me by a friend of mine. It has about 11 or 12 versions of the Bible and is really useful to me. I wonder if in your opinion I could copy scripture from there and put it on daily? If you had rather not then no problem. I use the King James scripture off the Bible but it is the kind I can compare all other type bibles along side each other. Well done my friend on handling this situation. RTR!

[pmull]

The ads are back. Does that mean we are back in good grace with Google?

Yes, I got the notification from them a couple of hours ago.

Excellent. I feel better now since we all know who posted all those chapters of the Bible that got us in trouble. 

[SUPERCOACH]

I used to carry a bible like that too, Ricky.  I think it is called a parallel bible.  I like it because it doesn't matter what version the preacher reads from I have it with me.

Now I have the bible gateway software on my iPad, so I have pretty much all of the translations on there.  And the iPad is much lighter than the bible I used to carry.

As far as posting scriptures, I think we can post the King James all we want.  It is in the public domain.  Any of the other translations we want to use will probably need to be a link to biblegateway.com for the actual text.  I still have all of our old bible threads archived.  I will try to patch them up with either a link or King James instead of the NIV text and move them back when I get a chance.  There were 482 topics that I removed so it might take a while.

[ricky023]

OK if I can help anyway please feel free to call on me. I do not want to step on pmull and all his wonderful work. If he would like to continue posting in the King James Version I would to see it. God Bless you all for trying to spread the Gospel. GOD BLESS.

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