NCAA announces "unprecedented" penalties against Penn St - updated

[Jamos]

I get so disgusted with the folks that put a football program above the crime of rape, male or female. Rape is one of the most disgusting crimes there is, especially if it involves minors. How can anyone defend such an act as to what has happened at Penn State. It was reported to the proper oficials but still was permitted to happen within the facilities of the Penn State athletic department. But yet, there are thousands of people wanting to keep the doors open to the same facility because there are football players that might get treated wrong because they weren't part of what happened.

How many times has Bama been put on probation for the act of one individual player that all of the other players had to suffer the consequencies of that players wrong doing. Yet it may have been four or five players that did something wrong but all of the others still were punished by the NCAA. I remember those years very well and I hated every minute of it and wanted whomever that was responsible for the problems that Bama was having to be fired and I'm talking about coaches.

I love Bama athletics as much as any Bama fan but I would and could not ever tolerate anything like what happened at Penn State. I would be one of the first to ask for the program to be shut down. It is not worth the scarificing of lives to win a national championship or even be the winningest football coach ever. These young men that were raped will never get over what was done to them and Penn State should never get over it either. It was a lifetime sentence for these young boys and Penn State desrves just the same, a lifetime sentence. JMHO

[Chechem]

I get so disgusted with the folks that put a football program above the crime of rape, male or female. Rape is one of the most disgusting crimes there is, especially if it involves minors. How can anyone defend such an act as to what has happened at Penn State. It was reported to the proper oficials but still was permitted to happen within the facilities of the Penn State athletic department. But yet, there are thousands of people wanting to keep the doors open to the same facility because there are football players that might get treated wrong because they weren't part of what happened.

How many times has Bama been put on probation for the act of one individual player that all of the other players had to suffer the consequencies of that players wrong doing. Yet it may have been four or five players that did something wrong but all of the others still were punished by the NCAA. I remember those years very well and I hated every minute of it and wanted whomever that was responsible for the problems that Bama was having to be fired and I'm talking about coaches.

I love Bama athletics as much as any Bama fan but I would and could not ever tolerate anything like what happened at Penn State. I would be one of the first to ask for the program to be shut down. It is not worth the scarificing of lives to win a national championship or even be the winningest football coach ever. These young men that were raped will never get over what was done to them and Penn State should never get over it either. It was a lifetime sentence for these young boys and Penn State desrves just the same, a lifetime sentence. JMHO

That's what we like about you, J.  And I'm sure it's true.

[XBAMA]

the LF and myself were watching this morning as they took the statue down .
she ask me about it , I explained to her how JP covered up what JS did .
she said ... "well then he is no better than JS is he" I agreed .

she then asked he about the statue being taken down , what I thought .
my reply ...
"if this was Coach Bryant instead of JP , I would there helping take  his statue down"
she smiled and said "that's what I figured you would say"

and that's only right , it would have to come down and the rest would
have to follow suit , wins, legacy the works ... GONE ...

I agree Jamos , there is only option A here , no B or C , one option only !

[Marshal Dillon]

Some of the Penn State faithful do seem to believe that the punishment itself is too harsh.  But really?  What's worse, harboring a criminal and allowing criminal conduct to continue, or a kid signing a cocktail napkin while celebrating a big win?

Penn State fans are no different than fans at Alabama, Oklahoma, or Ohio State. When the program gets in trouble, a large portion become delusional and try rationalizing what happened and firmly believe nothing major should happen to them and even if something does happen, the program will easily bounce back. The Penn St. case is such an overwhelmingly egregious matter, many of their fans/alumni just can't accept the reality of the situation. Little boys were raped and the football coach, AD, and even the university president covered up. It's just that simple.

[Catch Prothro]

Taking away enough wins from Paterno to put him behind Bowden would be appropriate, and it'd be something the NCAA would likely do.  I could see that.  It would also punish him instead of the current players, though they'll get theirs too.

I think it is not only appropriate to take away wins, it is an essential element of the punishment.  A coach who assists harboring a criminal so that he can try to reach some magic number of wins should never be remembered for the resulting wins.  He should not be allowed that kind of legacy -- the cost was much too high.

[BAMAWV]

I get so disgusted with the folks that put a football program above the crime of rape, male or female. Rape is one of the most disgusting crimes there is, especially if it involves minors. How can anyone defend such an act as to what has happened at Penn State. It was reported to the proper oficials but still was permitted to happen within the facilities of the Penn State athletic department. But yet, there are thousands of people wanting to keep the doors open to the same facility because there are football players that might get treated wrong because they weren't part of what happened.

How many times has Bama been put on probation for the act of one individual player that all of the other players had to suffer the consequencies of that players wrong doing. Yet it may have been four or five players that did something wrong but all of the others still were punished by the NCAA. I remember those years very well and I hated every minute of it and wanted whomever that was responsible for the problems that Bama was having to be fired and I'm talking about coaches.

I love Bama athletics as much as any Bama fan but I would and could not ever tolerate anything like what happened at Penn State. I would be one of the first to ask for the program to be shut down. It is not worth the scarificing of lives to win a national championship or even be the winningest football coach ever. These young men that were raped will never get over what was done to them and Penn State should never get over it either. It was a lifetime sentence for these young boys and Penn State desrves just the same, a lifetime sentence. JMHO

Link-- or is this a blog?

Wow! I have been posting about others that had direct involvement that have not been punished and will not even be exposed for what they are. As I posted earlier, I promise there were Sandusky jokes going around.  Many people watched in silence. Members of the media- those that had knowledge, even if secondhand should have use their position and resources to either confirm or deny. Neighbors,--I read one account where the guy said it had been going on-- kids in and out of the Sandusky home--for years. That guy better have a copy of the police report he filed (he didn't) or be prepared to hire a defense attorney. The janitors, the wrestling coach, Sandusky's favorite bartender, Mrs. Sandusky, and the people at 2nd Mile that probably were doing the same. Drag them out and  prosecute for all to see and maybe people will think twice in the future.   Working with less than a shoestring budget I bet I could find an impressive list of people that DID have responsibility,--long before I punish some kid that just graduated high school and went to PSU because he likes that famous ice cream place.

This school is the laughing stock of the entire country. Their school has not been mentioned except in the context of disgusting filth for the last 8 mos. and this will continue for years. I am sure they will have trouble scheduling just because who wants to watch a game on TV where the announcers talk about child rape the whole game. Their big hero coach has been reduced to filth and disgust as well. Anyone that tries to defend him (Rocky Bleier) will be humiliated for doing so.  No 5 star big shot wants to go where the conversation is not even football, but the criminality revolving around the program.  Parents don't want their kids even remotely involved, thinking that for a place for a young person to begin their adult life, this is no place to start. Any history or tradition at that school has now been overshadowed by the broad brush of, again, disgust and filth.

BTW, remember BAMAWV jumping up and down this time last year (and any time the PSU subject came up) because CJP and PSU were a bunch of worthless cheaters and rust belt trash. Dig up all the posts, of our posters saying what a classy, great man he was and how much everyone respected their program and student body. But let's be clear that I was ahead on the learning curve.

[double nickel]

this is from someone on tigerdroppings..

Penn St sanctions - from CBS news leak


1) SUSPENSION OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS FOR ONE YEAR

2) NO TELEVISION TIL 2015

3) BOWL BAN TIL 2015

4) NO FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS FOR 2013

5) ALL CURRENT PLAYERS ON ROSTER ALLOWED TO TRANSFER WITH NO PENALTY

6) NCAA CLEARINGHOUSE TO EXPEDITE AND ADMINISTER ALL TRANSFERS

7) SPECIAL NCAA DISPENSATION THAT PENN ST FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO TRANSFER, WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST SCHOLARSHIP LIMIT FOR GAINING SCHOOL

LOSS OF 8 SCHOLARSHIPS PER YEAR BEGINNING IN 2014 AND CONTINUING FOR 5 YEARS TO 2020.

9) BEGINNING IN 2014, OPTION TO DROP DOWN TO DIV 1AA WITH NO PENALTY, AND THE RIGHT TO RETURN TO DIV 1A AFTER 2020.

10) WINS AND RECORDS BACK TO 1998 WILL BE VACATED

11) TICKET REVENUE OFFSET PAYOUT TO BE GIVEN TO SCHEDULED OPPONENTS


Again, take it FWIW . We will all find out the tomorrow.

[Marshal Dillon]

Taking away enough wins from Paterno to put him behind Bowden would be appropriate, and it'd be something the NCAA would likely do.  I could see that.  It would also punish him instead of the current players, though they'll get theirs too.

I think it is not only appropriate to take away wins, it is an essential element of the punishment.  A coach who assists harboring a criminal so that he can try to reach some magic number of wins should never be remembered for the resulting wins.  He should not be allowed that kind of legacy -- the cost was much too high.

McQueary reported the shower rape in 2001. So, if the NCAA goes back to 2001 to forfeit wins, Paterno and Penn State would lose 88 victories. So if you subtract 88 from Paterno's total of 409 wins, he ends up with 321 wins, two less than Coach Bryant. Talk about ironic!
So, Penn State sold its soul for 88 wins and 49 losses from 2001 to 2011, a winning percentage of .642 and an average of 8 wins a year. Very average, at best, the kind of numbers Tommy Tuberville had. Paterno was 4-4 in bowls in that same time frame. I wonder if Penn State and its fans think it was all worthwhile, now?

 

[XBAMA]

I read that earlier 55 , they (CBS) have been know to spring a leak before
but like you said , tomorrow is the day , standing by ...

[BAMAWV]

Hmmm, maybe some folks on the forum will now believe it is an NCAA issue after all. 

I guess that is directed at me-- I deserve it-- but I feel the NCAA is just making another power grab:

But who thinks, "Good thing the NCAA stepped in when they did or this may have happened again!"

Laugh of the Year: If the unthinkable had occurred and it was Bama under these charges and conditions, any of us would be leading the NCAA charge to levee more penalties. Just remember that not only does this action, if taken by the NCAA, set precedent, it is a slippery slope as to where the cutoff is with the NCAA taking millions from school funds. 

Still amazed that no one cares about going after others that had knowledge of these crimes and did not intercede. Seems anyone sincerely interested in avenging this and punishing people actually responsible would go to the "ends of the earth" for justice for the children, instead of worrying about getting a competitive advantage on lowly PSU and punishing people that had no more to do with it than you or I.
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[BAMAWV]

Some of the Penn State faithful do seem to believe that the punishment itself is too harsh.  But really?  What's worse, harboring a criminal and allowing criminal conduct to continue, or a kid signing a cocktail napkin while celebrating a big win?

Penn State fans are no different than fans at Alabama, Oklahoma, or Ohio State. When the program gets in trouble, a large portion become delusional and try rationalizing what happened and firmly believe nothing major should happen to them and even if something does happen, the program will easily bounce back. The Penn St. case is such an overwhelmingly egregious matter, many of their fans/alumni just can't accept the reality of the situation. Little boys were raped and the football coach, AD, and even the university president covered up. It's just that simple.

That is what criminal courts are for. It is just THAT simple. The university and the team are being brutalized to the point of PSU now being synonomous with Chester the Molester.

[Chechem]

Sounds like the NCAA is going after money from Penn State; maybe $60M.
Click here for link

The cash would be used for a children's endowment.  Hardly an appropriate punishment, IMHO.

[Chechem]

Don't expect other Big-10 schools to come to PSU's defense.  PSU is about to become the Vandy of the Big 10: a pushover.  What a gift to give the other coaches; a certain win every year for the foreseeable future.

[XBAMA]

WV makes valid points , things that worry me as well
the NCAA unprecedented action on this is actually quite troubling if
you think about it , to much power , power grab , whatever you want
to call it , it's not what I like to see the NCAA doing ...

  

[Chechem]

WV makes valid points , things that worry me as well
the NCAA unprecedented action on this is actually quite troubling if
you think about it , to much power , power grab , whatever you want
to call it , it's not what I like to see the NCAA doing ...

Just think what Miami is thinking.  They're likely next.

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