The Great Immigration Debate

[SUPERCOACH]

My own desire for border security has nothing to do with immigration.  And it doesn't need to be a fence.  What ever is necessary and most effective at keeping Mahmoud from sneaking in a dirty bomb.  The fact that essentially a peasant can penetrate our border at will undetected is a huge concern.

There was a republican from Pennsylvania who crossed the river into America twice on an elephant with a mariachi band accompanying him without being detected*.

* Disclaimer: from memory, details are sketchy

                      

Now that is funny and scary at the same time.

[che boludo]

My own desire for border security has nothing to do with immigration.  And it doesn't need to be a fence.  What ever is necessary and most effective at keeping Mahmoud from sneaking in a dirty bomb.  The fact that essentially a peasant can penetrate our border at will undetected is a huge concern.

I was joking about the fence, but like I said, physical barriers only provide left and right limits of how to get around them.

From personal experience, we learned lesson after lesson that for the 1000s of dollars we spent on counter-measures an insurgent usually found a bypass to affect us for less than a dollar.  I have a very funny story I can share about one of those particular instances in a personal conversation should the opportunity ever arise.

Yes, we can do more to increase out physical security measures.  But, the best measures for prevention are made through extensive intelligence gathering (yet, another topic and more controversial topic of discussion).  Threats to our homeland are just as likely (if not more likely) to be generated from within the current borders.

And, like I said, the muslim terrorist organization that plans the next attack will most likely have utilized assets already in the country (equipment and personnel) or arrive here legally.  So, what gain is there.

But, in the spirit of job creation.  We could reduce welfare allotments and create g'ment work opportunites along the border to reduce the amount of elephants that get through.

Personally, I feel better about someone drawing a pay check for sitting in a stategiaclly placed watch tower with a radio to report to ground elements and intercept personnel crossing the border than I do about them sitting at hom making babies for a living.  

[ssmith general]

My own desire for border security has nothing to do with immigration.  And it doesn't need to be a fence.  What ever is necessary and most effective at keeping Mahmoud from sneaking in a dirty bomb.  The fact that essentially a peasant can penetrate our border at will undetected is a huge concern.

There was a republican from Pennsylvania who crossed the river into America twice on an elephant with a mariachi band accompanying him without being detected*.

* Disclaimer: from memory, details are sketchy

                      

Now that is funny and scary at the same time.

Found it. Click here for link

[SUPERCOACH]

 

Surely we can do better than that.

[Jamos]

Let's see, Auburn Trustees jumping ship and illegal immigrants working for minimum wage, somewhere I got lost.

[ssmith general]

Let's see, Auburn Trustees jumping ship and illegal immigrants working for minimum wage, somewhere I got lost.

I missed the turn too, but just went with it, how do you feel about illegal workers?

[SUPERCOACH]

I have been thinking about splitting this off and moving this part down to the president's mansion.

[ssmith general]

I have been thinking about splitting this off and moving this part down to the president's mansion.

It's a good discussion and worthy of it's own thread, IMO. 

[ssmith general]

Well sounds to me like the problems need people who are ready to fix it. So many openings they should put some illegal aliens on there they need representation also. If they are everyhwere else they should be on the board at Auburn. RTR!

It was ricky, 

[SUPERCOACH]

Well sounds to me like the problems need people who are ready to fix it. So many openings they should put some illegal aliens on there they need representation also. If they are everyhwere else they should be on the board at Auburn. RTR!

It was ricky, 

Yep, it all started as an innocent little joke.

[cbbama99]

Wow, I hate I haven't been on here much today. Just reviewing this thread has made me exhausted. Sounds like Marshal and Che were about to strap on the gloves.

[ssmith general]

Alabama House passes Arizona-style immigration law

MONTGOMERY, Alabama -- The House of Representatives voted 73-28 this evening to pass an Arizona-style immigration law that gives law enforcement officers authority to detain people they suspect of being illegal immigrants.
   
  Bill sponsor Rep. Micky Hammon, R-Decatur, told legislators that the bill, "attacks every aspect of an illegal alien's life."
   
  "This bill is designed to make it difficult for them to live here so they will deport themselves," Hammon said during debate. The bill now goes to the Senate.
   
  Hammon said illegal immigrants in Alabama are costing taxpayers money and taking jobs from American citizens. But critics of the bill said it would encourage racial profiling and add to law enforcement costs, and they argued that immigration enforcement should be the job of the federal government.
   
  Hammon's bill would require police officers to demand proof of citizenship or  residency from anyone they stop for a traffic violation or other infraction if there is reasonable suspicion the person is in the United States unlawfully. The officer would have to make a reasonable attempt to verify a person's citizenship status, and suspected illegal immigrants could be detained and charged with trespassing.
   
  The bill would require jails to hold people until officers can verify their immigration status. It would make it a crime to house, give a ride to, rent to or employ an illegal immigrant.

More - Click here for link

[SUPERCOACH]

It would make it a crime to house, give a ride to, rent to or employ an illegal immigrant.

Really?  So now I can go to jail if I give one of my little soccer players a ride home after practice?  They expect me to check the status of her parents before I give her a ride?

Come on now.  This is not the solution.

I don't have a problem with checking for a driver's license if they are driving the car.  That should be a requirement under existing law, and I have never gone through a checkpoint or been pulled over where they didn't check my license and insurance.  Nothing wrong with that.

I also don't have a problem with checking their status before you give them a job.  You are already supposed to do that.  I just recently started a new job and was required to mail a notarized copy of my social security card to the corporate HR department.

The housing part is new and not too bad, assuming they make it easy enough for a landlord to check the status before they rent the place.

But expecting every day citizens to check the status of someone before they give you a ride is a little insane.  Besides, if you enforce the one about employment then the others won't be necessary.  They aren't coming here to get rides and rent apartments, they are coming here to get jobs.

[ricky023]

Well sounds to me like the problems need people who are ready to fix it. So many openings they should put some illegal aliens on there they need representation also. If they are everyhwere else they should be on the board at Auburn. RTR!

It was ricky, 

Yep, it all started as an innocent little joke.

I sure am sorry I mde that statement you just don't know. I would never upset our fellow posters at all. I will sure ask before I make a post like this again. I ask for forgiveness. RTR!

[che boludo]

It would make it a crime to house, give a ride to, rent to or employ an illegal immigrant.

Really?  So now I can go to jail if I give one of my little soccer players a ride home after practice?  They expect me to check the status of her parents before I give her a ride?

Come on now.  This is not the solution.

I don't have a problem with checking for a driver's license if they are driving the car.  That should be a requirement under existing law, and I have never gone through a checkpoint or been pulled over where they didn't check my license and insurance.  Nothing wrong with that.

I also don't have a problem with checking their status before you give them a job.  You are already supposed to do that.  I just recently started a new job and was required to mail a notarized copy of my social security card to the corporate HR department.

The housing part is new and not too bad, assuming they make it easy enough for a landlord to check the status before they rent the place.

But expecting every day citizens to check the status of someone before they give you a ride is a little insane.  Besides, if you enforce the one about employment then the others won't be necessary.  They aren't coming here to get rides and rent apartments, they are coming here to get jobs.

We could simplify all of the bad feelings that would arise among our "legal" citizens who simply forgot their license at home that day and were catching a ride from someone (obeying the law) and end up detained until their citizenship can be determined by making a 100% entry into biometric system scanner mandatory for ALL US citizens.

We used the systems to great success in Iraq. It would serve not only to manage immigration issues more fairly without impeding the rights of legal citizens, but it would allow law enforcement a better method to identify criminals and wanted personnel.  Make it a mandatory check for all persons who do not possess proper identification (checks finger prints and retinas against a data base).  That way it is a back-up means that doesn't require placing legal citizens in jail for any period of time.

But, I fall back on the fact that more good could be done by changes to social policies that would make it less desirable for them to live here as well.

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