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[Chechem]

No one even mentioned this. Best lol. E-Cred!!!!!

That is funny indeed.  "Good morning."

[Chechem]

This question is for any of you that are familiar with the catch and release of the Red Snapper.
 
What do you think the motality rate is of all of the snapper that are caught and released?

I practice "fillet and release" myself.  

Seriously?  Mortality is 1-44% (increasing with depth of water).
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[Jamos]

The reasoning for my question is this. The last time I went deep sea fishing we too was catching a lot of snapper and releasing them per the Captains orders. There is the proper procedure for doing this in that being punturing the fish's air bag that fills as it is brought to the surface. He explained to me that the air bag fills because of the speed the fish is brought to the surface, the same that happens when divers surface too quick. As he punctured the air bag he explained that if this is done correctly the fish will be ok when it gets back in the water. My next question to him was is it always done correctly and he said no.

This led me to my next question to him, why is there such a release law when the mortality rate is so high and he said then that it probably is a bad law taking all of this into consideration. I fully understand the creel laws and the need for them, fishermen somrtimes want to catch all of the fish in the ocean before quitting for the day, but there has to be a better idea than what the conservation department has now. If I remember right, the snapper had to be a certain length to keep and we were catching a lot of them that were too short. I asked him then why didn't the law read that you keep what you catch and if the law says the limit of fish taken is 5, then the fisher would keep the first 5 that he/she caught rather than throwing back 30 that is illegal and half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population? I also agree with your comments of commercial fishermen, it doesn't take long for the big nets to do their damage and it's legal.

[Chechem]

The reasoning for my question is this. The last time I went deep sea fishing we too was catching a lot of snapper and releasing them per the Captains orders. There is the proper procedure for doing this in that being punturing the fish's air bag that fills as it is brought to the surface. He explained to me that the air bag fills because of the speed the fish is brought to the surface, the same that happens when divers surface too quick. As he punctured the air bag he explained that if this is done correctly the fish will be ok when it gets back in the water. My next question to him was is it always done correctly and he said no.

This led me to my next question to him, why is there such a release law when the mortality rate is so high and he said then that it probably is a bad law taking all of this into consideration. I fully understand the creel laws and the need for them, fishermen somrtimes want to catch all of the fish in the ocean before quitting for the day, but there has to be a better idea than what the conservation department has now. If I remember right, the snapper had to be a certain length to keep and we were catching a lot of them that were too short. I asked him then why didn't the law read that you keep what you catch and if the law says the limit of fish taken is 5, then the fisher would keep the first 5 that he/she caught rather than throwing back 30 that is illegal and half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population? I also agree with your comments of commercial fishermen, it doesn't take long for the big nets to do their damage and it's legal.

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The "puncture" rules have changed.  I'm not certain about all states, but Mississippi no longer wants fish punctured (too many killed by doing it wrong).

...half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population?  The only alternative for conservation of the species is to stop fishing where they occur.  If fishing is to continue, the protected species should be returned.  Better option?

If snapper were banned from restaurants, netting would stop.  HTH.

[2Stater]

The reasoning for my question is this. The last time I went deep sea fishing we too was catching a lot of snapper and releasing them per the Captains orders. There is the proper procedure for doing this in that being punturing the fish's air bag that fills as it is brought to the surface. He explained to me that the air bag fills because of the speed the fish is brought to the surface, the same that happens when divers surface too quick. As he punctured the air bag he explained that if this is done correctly the fish will be ok when it gets back in the water. My next question to him was is it always done correctly and he said no.

This led me to my next question to him, why is there such a release law when the mortality rate is so high and he said then that it probably is a bad law taking all of this into consideration. I fully understand the creel laws and the need for them, fishermen somrtimes want to catch all of the fish in the ocean before quitting for the day, but there has to be a better idea than what the conservation department has now. If I remember right, the snapper had to be a certain length to keep and we were catching a lot of them that were too short. I asked him then why didn't the law read that you keep what you catch and if the law says the limit of fish taken is 5, then the fisher would keep the first 5 that he/she caught rather than throwing back 30 that is illegal and half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population? I also agree with your comments of commercial fishermen, it doesn't take long for the big nets to do their damage and it's legal.

[/size]

The "puncture" rules have changed.  I'm not certain about all states, but Mississippi no longer wants fish punctured (too many killed by doing it wrong).

...half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population?  The only alternative for conservation of the species is to stop fishing where they occur.  If fishing is to continue, the protected species should be returned.  Better option?

If snapper were banned from restaurants, netting would stop.  HTH.

I won't hold my breath for that. The deck hand on our boat did puncture many of the Snapper. He always checked to see if the bag was inflated. I think this guy knew what he was doing. The mortality rate on what we threw back had to be at least 50%, just from the dolphins and sharks that were near the boat all day. In fact my FSIL hooked a dolphin that stole his catch. The deck hand ended up having to break his line.

[Chechem]

The reasoning for my question is this. The last time I went deep sea fishing we too was catching a lot of snapper and releasing them per the Captains orders. There is the proper procedure for doing this in that being punturing the fish's air bag that fills as it is brought to the surface. He explained to me that the air bag fills because of the speed the fish is brought to the surface, the same that happens when divers surface too quick. As he punctured the air bag he explained that if this is done correctly the fish will be ok when it gets back in the water. My next question to him was is it always done correctly and he said no.

This led me to my next question to him, why is there such a release law when the mortality rate is so high and he said then that it probably is a bad law taking all of this into consideration. I fully understand the creel laws and the need for them, fishermen somrtimes want to catch all of the fish in the ocean before quitting for the day, but there has to be a better idea than what the conservation department has now. If I remember right, the snapper had to be a certain length to keep and we were catching a lot of them that were too short. I asked him then why didn't the law read that you keep what you catch and if the law says the limit of fish taken is 5, then the fisher would keep the first 5 that he/she caught rather than throwing back 30 that is illegal and half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population? I also agree with your comments of commercial fishermen, it doesn't take long for the big nets to do their damage and it's legal.

[/size]

The "puncture" rules have changed.  I'm not certain about all states, but Mississippi no longer wants fish punctured (too many killed by doing it wrong).

...half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population?  The only alternative for conservation of the species is to stop fishing where they occur.  If fishing is to continue, the protected species should be returned.  Better option?

If snapper were banned from restaurants, netting would stop.  HTH.

[/size]

I won't hold my breath for that. The deck hand on our boat did puncture many of the Snapper. He always checked to see if the bag was inflated. I think this guy knew what he was doing. The mortality rate on what we threw back had to be at least 50%, just from the dolphins and sharks that were near the boat all day. In fact my FSIL hooked a dolphin that stole his catch. The deck hand ended up having to break his line.

I'm not surprised, but I've never hooked a dolphin.  They often steal fish, but they are usually clever enough to miss the hooks.  That's a first for me.
BTW, likely that hooking one broke at least 1 federal law!    

[2Stater]

The reasoning for my question is this. The last time I went deep sea fishing we too was catching a lot of snapper and releasing them per the Captains orders. There is the proper procedure for doing this in that being punturing the fish's air bag that fills as it is brought to the surface. He explained to me that the air bag fills because of the speed the fish is brought to the surface, the same that happens when divers surface too quick. As he punctured the air bag he explained that if this is done correctly the fish will be ok when it gets back in the water. My next question to him was is it always done correctly and he said no.

This led me to my next question to him, why is there such a release law when the mortality rate is so high and he said then that it probably is a bad law taking all of this into consideration. I fully understand the creel laws and the need for them, fishermen somrtimes want to catch all of the fish in the ocean before quitting for the day, but there has to be a better idea than what the conservation department has now. If I remember right, the snapper had to be a certain length to keep and we were catching a lot of them that were too short. I asked him then why didn't the law read that you keep what you catch and if the law says the limit of fish taken is 5, then the fisher would keep the first 5 that he/she caught rather than throwing back 30 that is illegal and half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population? I also agree with your comments of commercial fishermen, it doesn't take long for the big nets to do their damage and it's legal.

[/size]

The "puncture" rules have changed.  I'm not certain about all states, but Mississippi no longer wants fish punctured (too many killed by doing it wrong).

...half of them that will die. What is there about this that is helping preserve the snapper population?  The only alternative for conservation of the species is to stop fishing where they occur.  If fishing is to continue, the protected species should be returned.  Better option?

If snapper were banned from restaurants, netting would stop.  HTH.

[/size]

I won't hold my breath for that. The deck hand on our boat did puncture many of the Snapper. He always checked to see if the bag was inflated. I think this guy knew what he was doing. The mortality rate on what we threw back had to be at least 50%, just from the dolphins and sharks that were near the boat all day. In fact my FSIL hooked a dolphin that stole his catch. The deck hand ended up having to break his line.

I'm not surprised, but I've never hooked a dolphin.  They often steal fish, but they are usually clever enough to miss the hooks.  That's a first for me.
BTW, likely that hooking one broke at least 1 federal law!    

I'll be sure to inform my FSIL that he is now a felon. 

[2Stater]

Have a great Friday, guys. I gotta run.

[cbbama99]

Even though at this point in his life he prefers looking at Curious George books instead of reading CRS (that will change as he gets older  ), I want to wish my precious little boy Joshua a happy fifth birthday today.

[SUPERCOACH]

Happy Birthday to the little man!  It seems like we gave him a birthday party in here last year too.

 

[SUPERCOACH]

No one even mentioned this. Best lol. E-Cred!!!!!

I noticed, but it looked correct to me. 

[2Stater]

Even though at this point in his life he prefers looking at Curious George books instead of reading CRS (that will change as he gets older  ), I want to wish my precious little boy Joshua a happy fifth birthday today.

Happy birthday lil' CB!!!

[Chechem]

Happy Birthday to the little man!  It seems like we gave him a birthday party in here last year too.

 

ditto
   

[ricky023]

Happy Birthday. may all your days be Blessed with the Riches of Heaven. RTR!

[pmull]

Even though at this point in his life he prefers looking at Curious George books instead of reading CRS (that will change as he gets older  ), I want to wish my precious little boy Joshua a happy fifth birthday today.

I hope Dad gives him a pair of cleats for his B'day.

happy birthday CB Jr.

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