World Series Cards vs Red Sox

[ricky023]

I guess the Cards are not going to lay down and go to sleep. These guys go to the WS an awful lot. lol, RTR!

[SUPERCOACH]

Great game for thee Cards and their pitching came through for the, plus timely hitting.

 

Thou art correct in thine observation.
Why are we talking in archaic Middle English? 

Thou slayest me. 

[pmull]

St Louis beat Boston 5-4 on a controversial obstruction call. You just have to watch the play for yourself and decide what you think. I think it is BS. That was a very important game to be decided on an umpire ruling giving the Cards the walk off winning run.

St Louis takes a 2-1 series lead.

[2Stater]

St Louis beat Boston 5-4 on a controversial obstruction call. You just have to watch the play for yourself and decide what you think. I think it is BS. That was a very important game to be decided on an umpire ruling giving the Cards the walk off winning run.

St Louis takes a 2-1 series lead.

Was it the same ump who invoked the infield fly rule on a missed fly ball in Atlanta last year? I believe St Louis was the beneficiary of that call, too.

[Marshal Dillon]

St Louis beat Boston 5-4 on a controversial obstruction call. You just have to watch the play for yourself and decide what you think. I think it is BS. That was a very important game to be decided on an umpire ruling giving the Cards the walk off winning run.

St Louis takes a 2-1 series lead.

I was watching the game when it happened and watched at least 10-15 replays after the game while the announcers discussed it. I think it was the right call. The Red Sox players did not go crazy after the umpires explained what happened. You can not obstruct the runner for any reason, period. Plus, it looked to me like the 3rd baseman deliberately raised his legs up to trip the runner.

 

[pmull]

It was a questionable call that could have gone either way. IMO you do not make that call in the bottom of the 9th with the outcome of the game on the line.

[SUPERCOACH]

I saw the replay on sportscenter.  I thought the 3rd baseman deliberately raised his legs in the heat of the moment then decided to put them back down when he realized he was going to get called for it.  I think it was the right call.  By the way, as I mentioned previously:

No Braves = No Care

So I am looking at it from an unbiased point of view.

[Marshal Dillon]

I saw the replay on sportscenter.  I thought the 3rd baseman deliberately raised his legs in the heat of the moment then decided to put them back down when he realized he was going to get called for it.  I think it was the right call.  By the way, as I mentioned previously:

No Braves = No Care

So I am looking at it from an unbiased point of view.

Bingo! Who raises their legs into the air if they are trying to get off the ground? He did it at the exact moment the runner tried to take off running. Also, I didn't see the third baseman jumping up and down protesting his innocence.

 

[pmull]

I admit it was a questionable call. I don't think anyone could say it was a clear obstruction or not without the benifit of replays. Even with replays it is not clear according to me and the talking heads on TV. At that point in the game most refs/umps in all sports would not call anything and let the play stand. A couple of examples is the non call foul on Trevor Lacey in the UT basketball game last year and the non call horse collar on Auburn against against A&M last week. In most cases umps will not make questionable calls at the end of the game that change or determine the outcome of the game.

[SUPERCOACH]

I just watched another replay on ESPN.  The guy said that the defender's intent has nothing to do with the rule.  If he is in the way, regardless of whether or not he did it on purpose, then it is obstruction.

If that is indeed the rule (I don't know if it is), he was clearly in the way even if it was only accidental.

[Marshal Dillon]

I admit it was a questionable call. I don't think anyone could say it was a clear obstruction or not without the benifit of replays. Even with replays it is not clear according to me and the talking heads on TV. At that point in the game most refs/umps in all sports would not call anything and let the play stand. A couple of examples is the non call foul on Trevor Lacey in the UT basketball game last year and the non call horse collar on Auburn against against A&M last week. In most cases umps will not make questionable calls at the end of the game that change or determine the outcome of the game.

Tim McCarver was doing the game and he said any type of obstruction, whether deliberate or unintentional was still obstruction. The rules made no exceptions per McCarver.


 

[SUPERCOACH]

I admit it was a questionable call. I don't think anyone could say it was a clear obstruction or not without the benifit of replays. Even with replays it is not clear according to me and the talking heads on TV. At that point in the game most refs/umps in all sports would not call anything and let the play stand. A couple of examples is the non call foul on Trevor Lacey in the UT basketball game last year and the non call horse collar on Auburn against against A&M last week. In most cases umps will not make questionable calls at the end of the game that change or determine the outcome of the game.

Tim McCarver was doing the game and he said any type of obstruction, whether deliberate or unintentional was still obstruction. The rules made no exceptions per McCarver.


 

In that case, it was clearly obstruction.

[pmull]

I admit it was a questionable call. I don't think anyone could say it was a clear obstruction or not without the benifit of replays. Even with replays it is not clear according to me and the talking heads on TV. At that point in the game most refs/umps in all sports would not call anything and let the play stand. A couple of examples is the non call foul on Trevor Lacey in the UT basketball game last year and the non call horse collar on Auburn against against A&M last week. In most cases umps will not make questionable calls at the end of the game that change or determine the outcome of the game.

Tim McCarver was doing the game and he said any type of obstruction, whether deliberate or unintentional was still obstruction. The rules made no exceptions per McCarver.


 

Obstruction happens all the time in baseball. A catcher can block homeplate if he has the ball or if he is making a play on the ball. In this case the 3rd baseball was making a play on the ball. The runners got tangled up in the play. I don't think this was a clear cut call at all.

Rule 2.00: OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.

[SUPERCOACH]

The obstruction happened when the ball was in left field though, right?  Not when he was trying to tag him out at 3rd.

[Marshal Dillon]

The obstruction happened when the ball was in left field though, right?  Not when he was trying to tag him out at 3rd.

Bingo! The ball was past the fielder and when the runner tried to advance the 3rd baseman tripped him.

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