*** Official Super Conference Thread ***

[SUPERCOACH]

Dude, it's Stoops!



Sorry, had to do it.  Who wants to bet it will be Oklahoma instead of Missouri?

[BAMAWV]

This morning it's looking like TAMU is a strong possibility and FSU is now on the table for consideration.  The main problem with FSU is their recent recruiting success.  As long as they are taking recruits and are not on our schedule, who cares!  But now, if they're in the SEC, it's   .

LOL I'm not afraid of FSU. Does Clemson scare you, too? The ACC seems real tough (preseason hype) until they have to actually play a game.

Not afraid of Clemson.  But if we lose recruits, I'd rather lose them to Hawaii than LSU.  

Why would we lose recruits to Hawaii? ANY team we add to SEC is going to see a elevation in recruiting (except maybe Hawaii :eye roll:), but strengthening the conference beyond reproach seems to be Slive's premise.

Hyperbole.  Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

I got it, hence the eye roll.

I'm gonna be on the 'why fix what ain't broken' team. I think 2 agrees, and at one time SC was on board. They'll have to show me in black and white how revenues will increase great enough to make it worth screwing with perfection, let alone tradition.

[BAMAWV]

Do we have two threads on this going so each side can have one. Good idea. It'll keep the sensitive posters from getting hurt. RTR

[SUPERCOACH]

This morning it's looking like TAMU is a strong possibility and FSU is now on the table for consideration.  The main problem with FSU is their recent recruiting success.  As long as they are taking recruits and are not on our schedule, who cares!  But now, if they're in the SEC, it's  .

LOL I'm not afraid of FSU. Does Clemson scare you, too? The ACC seems real tough (preseason hype) until they have to actually play a game.

Not afraid of Clemson.  But if we lose recruits, I'd rather lose them to Hawaii than LSU. 

Why would we lose recruits to Hawaii? ANY team we add to SEC is going to see a elevation in recruiting (except maybe Hawaii :eye roll:), but strengthening the conference beyond reproach seems to be Slive's premise.

Hyperbole.  Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

I got it, hence the eye roll.

I'm gonna be on the 'why fix what ain't broken' team. I think 2 agrees, and at one time SC was on board. They'll have to show me in black and white how revenues will increase great enough to make it worth screwing with perfection, let alone tradition.

I would prefer to leave things the way they are.  But last summer made me realize that there will be a 16 team conference soon, like it or not.  The SEC is so far out ahead of the other conferences, getting to 16 teams is the only way they can compete.  As others have said, it is far better for the SEC to be the first one to do it.  Then they are back to playing catch up again, but even further behind and with fewer good teams to pick from to get their league to 16.

A&M really isn't a big prize to help the SEC, they are simply the first domino to set off the chain reaction.  Once they are officially moving, my guess is we can probably take our pick from among many interested schools for the other 3 spots.  I think FSU and Clemson would both be good teams to add.  They are both programs on the rise (IMO) and are within the existing geographic region.  A&M is a little too far away, but they are the ones who are ready to start the ball rolling.  I'm not sure who I would want for the 4th team.  I think OU would be the strongest, but they are really too far away also.  I really can't think of another team that would be good that is also within the current region though.

So I guess I am rooting for A&M, OU, FSU, and Clemson.  I would love to see an SEC network come out of this deal once the teams are set, which I think would help the entire conference.

Right now the SEC dominates the BCS NCG.  A lot of this success has to do with the gauntlet that the SEC champ has to run in order to make it to that game.  Imagine how much more dominating we will be if we have to win a 16 team conference.  You might as well give the SEC champ an automatic bid to the BCS NCG and let them play whatever sacrificial lamb looks the best that year.  It really is that way right now, but with the PAC-12 and now the BIG-10 making their moves, they might be able to close the gap within a few years, especially if one of those guys goes to 16 teams.

Another thing to ponder... what if the PAC-16 had been born last year, and they added Texas, OU, and a couple of other decent teams from the BIG-12.  That conference champion would automatically have more leverage with the media and BCS, along with a lot more buzz, than the SEC champ.  Imagine the BIG-10 went to 16 teams too.  That might make it hard for the SEC to even get considered for the BCS NCG, even if they have a great year.

I'm rambling, I know, but it is a lot to think about.  This is huge news and will change the face of college football as we know it.  Just as that first SEC Championship game between Bama and Florida did way back almost 20 years ago.  The first super conference will likely dominate the next 20 years.

[pmull]

RollBamaRoll has an interesting view of expansion.


Some Cold Water on Conference Expansion

Click here for link

[SUPERCOACH]

I think there might be 3 or 4 but some of them may have dropped down the page.  Should we merge them?  What say ye?

[ssmith general]

Do we have two threads on this going so each side can have one. Good idea. It'll keep the sensitive posters from getting hurt. RTR

lol

[pmull]

I think there might be 3 or 4 but some of them may have dropped down the page.  Should we merge them?  What say ye?

I vote merge.

[2Stater]

A&M would probably bring in significant money in their own right, whoever else comes with them may not, in which case there may not be a substantial increase in the economic pie such that expansion would be worthwhile.

The other issue here is finding a specific additional team, outside of Texas A&M, because adding A&M would necessitate the addition of a fourteenth team to maintain a balanced divisional format. The fourteenth team becomes an even bigger issue than A&M because the fourteenth team would (1) bring in less revenue and (2) step on the toes of existing members. Either the SEC would have to add someone from the East and thereby generate intense opposition from existing members and arguably violate the tacit agreement between SEC presidents not to do such a thing.

This guy is making me look like a genius.

IMO, bigger isn't necessarily better. Having said that, I think the conference will go to 16 teams as well, because the perception of "bigger is better" prevails in the mindset of some AD's and most league officials. I really don't think a conference needs more than 12 teams. With 12, the team schedules are balanced and gives everyone room for good OOC scheduling.

There is too much emphasis on money. I think that revenue may actually be spread thin by adding more teams, if the interest in those teams is not what is to be expected. If Texas is carrying the Big 12 in it's back, as it appears to be, the same thing can happen with the SEC. The Alabamas, LSUs and Floridas of the SEC may need to stock up on Doan's pills.

I like the 12 team conference, but there is little doubt in my mind that it's going to 16, but at what cost?

[2Stater]

I think there might be 3 or 4 but some of them may have dropped down the page.  Should we merge them?  What say ye?

I vote merge.

Agreed. I only started the other thread because at the time it was breaking news and I wanted everyone to see it. It s/b merged.

[ssmith general]

I think there might be 3 or 4 but some of them may have dropped down the page.  Should we merge them?  What say ye?

I vote merge.

Agreed. I only started the other thread because at the time it was breaking news and I wanted everyone to see it. It s/b merged.

what other thread?

[2Stater]

I think there might be 3 or 4 but some of them may have dropped down the page.  Should we merge them?  What say ye?

I vote merge.

Agreed. I only started the other thread because at the time it was breaking news and I wanted everyone to see it. It s/b merged.

what other thread?

I haz the confuzez. I thought I was on the "Is this the beginning......" thread. Anyway, merging is good.

[BAMAWV]

I think there might be 3 or 4 but some of them may have dropped down the page.  Should we merge them?  What say ye?

Am I making you exasperated?  The woman says I sometimes do that.

[SUPERCOACH]

RollBamaRoll has an interesting view of expansion.


Some Cold Water on Conference Expansion

Click here for link

Lots of errors in the article in my opinion.  For one, adding only 2 new teams from the west would not require 2 existing west teams to move to the east.  The new conference would have 14 teams, 7 in each division, so only 1 team would have to move.  I say the barn since they are already in GA any way.

Secondly, this whole notion that you can't add a second team from the same state as an existing team is in error in my opinion, or at least it should be.  Half of the current conference already has an in-state rival.  Are you telling me that the recruit rich state of Florida can't handle 2 SEC teams, when Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have 2 teams each.  You only need 9 of the 12 to vote for inviting a new school for it to pass.  So, for example, if they decided to add ONLY 1 team from the East to go with A&M to the west, every team will vote for it EXCEPT perhaps the in state rival.  For example, if that team were say FSU, don't you think USCe would be all over that?  Yes, Yes, Yes, let's add FSU to the east (NOT Clemson).  The same thing would happen if you decided to added 2 teams from the east actually.  If those 2 teams were say, FSU and Clemson, then all the schools except perhaps Florida and USCe would vote for it.  Georgia would be all for it, for example, since it would mean that Ga Tech would NOT be one of the new teams.  That still gives you 10 votes.

Finally, I have seen the 30-40% chance that A&M won't happen quote.  HELLO?  That sounds like a 60-70% chance that it WILL happen.

The bottom line is that I think this guy is in the "don't mess with perfection" camp, and it appears that he has his head in the sand and is hoping that it just all goes away.  No offense to him.  He is right that it is not a done deal as of RIGHT NOW, but this is moving very quickly.

I have no idea what is going to happen.  But it is undeniable that SOMETHING is going on with A&M.  And if that domino falls, the time table will accelerate rapidly on filling the other 1 to 3 spots, even if no one is "officially" in negotiations right now like A&M.  JMHO

[SUPERCOACH]

A&M would probably bring in significant money in their own right, whoever else comes with them may not, in which case there may not be a substantial increase in the economic pie such that expansion would be worthwhile.

The other issue here is finding a specific additional team, outside of Texas A&M, because adding A&M would necessitate the addition of a fourteenth team to maintain a balanced divisional format. The fourteenth team becomes an even bigger issue than A&M because the fourteenth team would (1) bring in less revenue and (2) step on the toes of existing members. Either the SEC would have to add someone from the East and thereby generate intense opposition from existing members and arguably violate the tacit agreement between SEC presidents not to do such a thing.

This guy is making me look like a genius.

IMO, bigger isn't necessarily better. Having said that, I think the conference will go to 16 teams as well, because the perception of "bigger is better" prevails in the mindset of some AD's and most league officials. I really don't think a conference needs more than 12 teams. With 12, the team schedules are balanced and gives everyone room for good OOC scheduling.

There is too much emphasis on money. I think that revenue may actually be spread thin by adding more teams, if the interest in those teams is not what is to be expected. If Texas is carrying the Big 12 in it's back, as it appears to be, the same thing can happen with the SEC. The Alabamas, LSUs and Floridas of the SEC may need to stock up on Doan's pills.

I like the 12 team conference, but there is little doubt in my mind that it's going to 16, but at what cost?

Good point on the possibility of spreading the revenue thin.  But, you have to remember we don't need to bring in heavyweights like Texas to keep it at the current level.  We only need to bring in schools that can match the league average for things to stay basically the same.  We have Alabama, LSU, Florida, etc. but we also have Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.  As long as these teams are better than the league average (whatever that is), it will be a net win for the other schools.  I think FSU is probably better than the league average.  A&M probably is too.  Clemson is probably about average, maybe slightly lower (have no idea).  I'm guessing OU is above average.

So it probably would mean more money.  I am certain that they will examine that closely since this whole deal really is about the money.

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