*** Official Super Conference Thread ***

[Old Tider]

A&M would probably bring in significant money in their own right, whoever else comes with them may not, in which case there may not be a substantial increase in the economic pie such that expansion would be worthwhile.

The other issue here is finding a specific additional team, outside of Texas A&M, because adding A&M would necessitate the addition of a fourteenth team to maintain a balanced divisional format. The fourteenth team becomes an even bigger issue than A&M because the fourteenth team would (1) bring in less revenue and (2) step on the toes of existing members. Either the SEC would have to add someone from the East and thereby generate intense opposition from existing members and arguably violate the tacit agreement between SEC presidents not to do such a thing.

This guy is making me look like a genius.

IMO, bigger isn't necessarily better. Having said that, I think the conference will go to 16 teams as well, because the perception of "bigger is better" prevails in the mindset of some AD's and most league officials. I really don't think a conference needs more than 12 teams. With 12, the team schedules are balanced and gives everyone room for good OOC scheduling.

There is too much emphasis on money. I think that revenue may actually be spread thin by adding more teams, if the interest in those teams is not what is to be expected. If Texas is carrying the Big 12 in it's back, as it appears to be, the same thing can happen with the SEC. The Alabamas, LSUs and Floridas of the SEC may need to stock up on Doan's pills.

I like the 12 team conference, but there is little doubt in my mind that it's going to 16, but at what cost?

Good thoughts, 2Stater. I vote to keep the club exclusive.

Even if the PAC12 and Big10 each added 4 teams?  There would be 8 fewer teams to pick from if the SEC decided to play catch up down the road.

I'm sure Ball State, Akron, Idaho and William & Mary would still be available. 

             



I think David Letterman went to Ball State.  There is no way we can let those big libs in here.  HTH.

Didn't you say something about the President's Mansion?

[pmull]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

[2Stater]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

[SUPERCOACH]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

They're skerd.  They still remember that Kickoff Classic beat down.

[SUPERCOACH]

A&M would probably bring in significant money in their own right, whoever else comes with them may not, in which case there may not be a substantial increase in the economic pie such that expansion would be worthwhile.

The other issue here is finding a specific additional team, outside of Texas A&M, because adding A&M would necessitate the addition of a fourteenth team to maintain a balanced divisional format. The fourteenth team becomes an even bigger issue than A&M because the fourteenth team would (1) bring in less revenue and (2) step on the toes of existing members. Either the SEC would have to add someone from the East and thereby generate intense opposition from existing members and arguably violate the tacit agreement between SEC presidents not to do such a thing.

This guy is making me look like a genius.

IMO, bigger isn't necessarily better. Having said that, I think the conference will go to 16 teams as well, because the perception of "bigger is better" prevails in the mindset of some AD's and most league officials. I really don't think a conference needs more than 12 teams. With 12, the team schedules are balanced and gives everyone room for good OOC scheduling.

There is too much emphasis on money. I think that revenue may actually be spread thin by adding more teams, if the interest in those teams is not what is to be expected. If Texas is carrying the Big 12 in it's back, as it appears to be, the same thing can happen with the SEC. The Alabamas, LSUs and Floridas of the SEC may need to stock up on Doan's pills.

I like the 12 team conference, but there is little doubt in my mind that it's going to 16, but at what cost?

Good thoughts, 2Stater. I vote to keep the club exclusive.

Even if the PAC12 and Big10 each added 4 teams?  There would be 8 fewer teams to pick from if the SEC decided to play catch up down the road.

I'm sure Ball State, Akron, Idaho and William & Mary would still be available. 

             



I think David Letterman went to Ball State.  There is no way we can let those big libs in here.  HTH.

Didn't you say something about the President's Mansion?

I was just checking to see if anyone was paying attention.

[pmull]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

I making a wild guess. I think FL ST will be the first option. I don't think it will be Miami, GA Tech or Clemson. I think the 14th team will be an east team to not cause realignment issues.

[2Stater]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

I making a wild guess. I think FL ST will be the first option. I don't think it will be Miami, GA Tech or Clemson. I think the 14th team will be an east team to not cause realignment issues.

I agree with you, pmull. TAMU and then FSU. Would love to see it hold at 14 (since my 12 is apparently out of the question), but I'm sure 2 more will follow. I think Clemson will be 3rd.

[SUPERCOACH]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

I making a wild guess. I think FL ST will be the first option. I don't think it will be Miami, GA Tech or Clemson. I think the 14th team will be an east team to not cause realignment issues.

I agree with you, pmull. TAMU and then FSU. Would love to see it hold at 14 (since my 12 is apparently out of the question), but I'm sure 2 more will follow. I think Clemson will be 3rd.

This order sounds right to me.  Then they might be able to coax OU or some other big school for the last spot.

Hmmm.... If we took a school from the Big10, wouldn't that fix their little overcheating red wagon?  I know that won't happen, but it is funny to think about.  They would have to cancel their championship game for 2012 if they couldn't find somebody ASAP to fill the 12th spot.  And anybody that could fill that spot on a moment's notice is probably not a very desirable school.

[Jamos]

In most cases doing a complete overhaul or change in a big business is never well liked in the beginning. Until I can see the format and understand the pros and cons of the change I don't have a like or dislike opinion.

I do think the format for the National Championship that is being used today is not the best way, a playoff system is the best way. There is no way a fair playoff system can be derived from the way conferences are set up now. There are too many conferences and whose to say what teams are the best from each conference without a conference playoff and only a few have that.

The big question concerning going to bigger conferences and having a playoff system is how do you set up the number of games in regular season play (12-13 games) and still have a playoff and bowl games.

I'm willing to listen to anything that will take away from the polls and a computer deciding who should be playing for the National Championship.

[pmull]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

I making a wild guess. I think FL ST will be the first option. I don't think it will be Miami, GA Tech or Clemson. I think the 14th team will be an east team to not cause realignment issues.

I agree with you, pmull. TAMU and then FSU. Would love to see it hold at 14 (since my 12 is apparently out of the question), but I'm sure 2 more will follow. I think Clemson will be 3rd.

This order sounds right to me.  Then they might be able to coax OU or some other big school for the last spot.

Hmmm.... If we took a school from the Big10, wouldn't that fix their little overcheating red wagon?  I know that won't happen, but it is funny to think about.  They would have to cancel their championship game for 2012 if they couldn't find somebody ASAP to fill the 12th spot.  And anybody that could fill that spot on a moment's notice is probably not a very desirable school.

I think Missouri is a natural for the Big 10.

[SUPERCOACH]

In most cases doing a complete overhaul or change in a big business is never well liked in the beginning. Until I can see the format and understand the pros and cons of the change I don't have a like or dislike opinion.

I do think the format for the National Championship that is being used today is not the best way, a playoff system is the best way. There is no way a fair playoff system can be derived from the way conferences are set up now. There are too many conferences and whose to say what teams are the best from each conference without a conference playoff and only a few have that.

The big question concerning going to bigger conferences and having a playoff system is how do you set up the number of games in regular season play (12-13 games) and still have a playoff and bowl games.

I'm willing to listen to anything that will take away from the polls and a computer deciding who should be playing for the National Championship.

I can remember that I did not like the idea of adding USC and Arkansas all those years ago.  I thought they were perennial weaklings.  I didn't want to change the existing round robin schedule format.  But all these years later both teams have made it to the championship game, which is more than we can say for some of the original schools.  And in hindsight it was clearly the best move ever made by a conference.

I guess the same argument about average revenue applies to average team strength.  As long as the teams are at least as good as the average SEC team now then we will be making the conference stronger overall.

[SUPERCOACH]

I hope we don't add any teams at this time. But... if we do add teams in the next few weeks I think it will be A&M and VA Tech. No facts, JMHO.

Don't know if it's just a smoke screen, but the AD at Va. Tech made a statement last night that they will not be leaving the ACC.

I making a wild guess. I think FL ST will be the first option. I don't think it will be Miami, GA Tech or Clemson. I think the 14th team will be an east team to not cause realignment issues.

I agree with you, pmull. TAMU and then FSU. Would love to see it hold at 14 (since my 12 is apparently out of the question), but I'm sure 2 more will follow. I think Clemson will be 3rd.

This order sounds right to me.  Then they might be able to coax OU or some other big school for the last spot.

Hmmm.... If we took a school from the Big10, wouldn't that fix their little overcheating red wagon?  I know that won't happen, but it is funny to think about.  They would have to cancel their championship game for 2012 if they couldn't find somebody ASAP to fill the 12th spot.  And anybody that could fill that spot on a moment's notice is probably not a very desirable school.

I think Missouri is a natural for the Big 10.

Yes, good point.  I'm surprised they didn't go there already.

[2Stater]

Wasn't there a push by either the Big 10 or Missouri last year to get them?

[pmull]

Wasn't there a push by either the Big 10 or Missouri last year to get them?

Not to my knowledge. They got Penn St a few years ago. They targeted Nebraska as # 12 and got them. You have to give them credit. Those are two big time programs.

[BAMAWV]

A&M would probably bring in significant money in their own right, whoever else comes with them may not, in which case there may not be a substantial increase in the economic pie such that expansion would be worthwhile.

The other issue here is finding a specific additional team, outside of Texas A&M, because adding A&M would necessitate the addition of a fourteenth team to maintain a balanced divisional format. The fourteenth team becomes an even bigger issue than A&M because the fourteenth team would (1) bring in less revenue and (2) step on the toes of existing members. Either the SEC would have to add someone from the East and thereby generate intense opposition from existing members and arguably violate the tacit agreement between SEC presidents not to do such a thing.

This guy is making me look like a genius.

IMO, bigger isn't necessarily better. Having said that, I think the conference will go to 16 teams as well, because the perception of "bigger is better" prevails in the mindset of some AD's and most league officials. I really don't think a conference needs more than 12 teams. With 12, the team schedules are balanced and gives everyone room for good OOC scheduling.

There is too much emphasis on money. I think that revenue may actually be spread thin by adding more teams, if the interest in those teams is not what is to be expected. If Texas is carrying the Big 12 in it's back, as it appears to be, the same thing can happen with the SEC. The Alabamas, LSUs and Floridas of the SEC may need to stock up on Doan's pills.

I like the 12 team conference, but there is little doubt in my mind that it's going to 16, but at what cost?

Good thoughts, 2Stater. I vote to keep the club exclusive.

Even if the PAC12 and Big10 each added 4 teams?  There would be 8 fewer teams to pick from if the SEC decided to play catch up down the road.

I'm sure Ball State, Akron, Idaho and William & Mary would still be available. 

             



I think David Letterman went to Ball State.  There is no way we can let those big libs in here.  HTH.

Didn't you say something about the President's Mansion?

Sen. Joe Manchin (D) WV?

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