Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players

[Coach Hank Crisp]

Wall Street Journal just released this story.

Report: Players Received Gifts From Miami Booster.

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SI updated their article an hour ago.

Report: Ex-Miami booster says he gave player impermissible benefits

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[IronTusk]

My thoughts on this issue:

1. The guy making these accusations is in jail for running a Ponzi scheme - a Bernie Madoff type of fellow.  I've always been a bit skeptical of jail house confessions of this nature from convicted felons.

2. The accusations he is making has nothing to do with any recruiting efforts made by Alabama - this story is about Miami - not Alabama.

3. The two Bama staff members mentioned in the article might (I emphasize "might," because nothing has been proved, other than accusations made by a convicted felon serving time right now) have done something wrong at Miami, not Alabama. With these accusations becoming public, you can bet these two will keep their noses clean like never before, even if they are prone to doing this kind of stuff.

4. With the climate currently exisitng in college football, I would be willing to bet money that Saban and the UA compliance staff have been vigilant in vetting coaches and players. Accusations that Saban knew something and ignored it are ludicrous, in my opinion.

5. Saban's comments the other day about message board bullcrap seems relevant to this issue. Wringing hands and worring about this seems to me to be a waste of time. After all, no one on this board really knoiws what is going on in South Florida.

In my humble opinion, the absolute worst that can happen is these two individuals are forced out at the end of the season. Firing them now or mid-season makes no sense, unless they run to Saban's office and make full confessions of their subterfuge.

Even if this does happen, it makes Bama's staff look good - we're cleaning house of coaches who have done wrong at other institutions - who else in the college football world has done anything remotely similar?  Certainly not USC, who hired Lane Kiffen (the last time I checked he is still there, notwithstanding his shenanigans in Tennessee).

[SUPERCOACH]

My thoughts on this issue:

1. The guy making these accusations is in jail for running a Ponzi scheme - a Bernie Madoff type of fellow.  I've always been a bit skeptical of jail house confessions of this nature from convicted felons.

2. The accusations he is making has nothing to do with any recruiting efforts made by Alabama - this story is about Miami - not Alabama.

3. The two Bama staff members mentioned in the article might (I emphasize "might," because nothing has been proved, other than accusations made by a convicted felon serving time right now) have done something wrong at Miami, not Alabama. With these accusations becoming public, you can bet these two will keep their noses clean like never before, even if they are prone to doing this kind of stuff.

4. With the climate currently exisitng in college football, I would be willing to bet money that Saban and the UA compliance staff have been vigilant in vetting coaches and players. Accusations that Saban knew something and ignored it are ludicrous, in my opinion.

5. Saban's comments the other day about message board bullcrap seems relevant to this issue. Wringing hands and worring about this seems to me to be a waste of time. After all, no one on this board really knoiws what is going on in South Florida.

In my humble opinion, the absolute worst that can happen is these two individuals are forced out at the end of the season. Firing them now or mid-season makes no sense, unless they run to Saban's office and make full confessions of their subterfuge.

Even if this does happen, it makes Bama's staff look good - we're cleaning house of coaches who have done wrong at other institutions - who else in the college football world has done anything remotely similar?  Certainly not USC, who hired Lane Kiffen (the last time I checked he is still there, notwithstanding his shenanigans in Tennessee).

I agree.  The worst case scenario for us is that we have to replace these two during the season at a time when it is not very convenient.  Replacing the O-line coach at this point could be an issue, but the other guy has nothing to do with what goes on during the game on the field.  If we did get a new O-line coach, obviously we would not put in any sort of new blocking schemes or anything at this point.  He would just have to work within the system that is already in place and coach 'em up on fundamentals.  Even if we had to do that, I think we will be OK.

Actually we probably wouldn't hire a new coach until the end of the season, but I still think we will be OK.  Maybe we could get the guy who retired recently to come back and help through the end of the season.

[Jamos]

I would think that CNS is way ahead of us in how to handle this anyway. This guy is singing like a canary and you have to wonder about how much the two men at Bama were really involved with this guy if any. If he could run a ponzi scheme he's a fat talker anyway so I think I will wait on CNS to address this before passing any judgement on the two.

[bamalum67]

Sorry, I do not agree...if you were running a business, say an investment firm, and in the last yr you had hired a couple guys..then the news hits that these guys were in another firm that got caught in an illegal scheme..and these guys were personally involved, would you not fire them on the basis of running a company legal and above board and to keep SEC prying eyes away? Of course you would.

No difference here..get those bums out...NOW!

[ssmith general]

Sorry, I do not agree...if you were running a business, say an investment firm, and in the last yr you had hired a couple guys..then the news hits that these guys were in another firm that got caught in an illegal scheme..and these guys were personally involved, would you not fire them on the basis of running a company legal and above board and to keep SEC prying eyes away? Of course you would.

No difference here..get those bums out...NOW!

Based on the word of a guy in prison?  Due diligence.  Then get rid of them.

[bamalum67]

SSG: Don't you agree we don't need this kind of distraction with so much on the line?  (pun intended)

Our OL coach will have this on his mind ALL the time this season...If he is innocent, how he will prove it, IF he is guilty,, how he will survive it..regardless of his innocence or guilt..his mind will not be focused on the OL 100%!!!!!  And we gotta have that!

Sorry, but CNs owes this guy nothing...esp. if Stout was less than forthcoming about the crap at Thug U.

Gotta be like Caesar's wife..beyond reproach.

[pmull]

Even if Jeff Stoutland is found to be very involved in the Miami problem, and I don't think he will be, isn't formed OL Coach Pendry still on University pallroll in an administrative position.

[ssmith general]

SSG: Don't you agree we don't need this kind of distraction with so much on the line?  (pun intended)

Our OL coach will have this on his mind ALL the time this season...If he is innocent, how he will prove it, IF he is guilty,, how he will survive it..regardless of his innocence or guilt..his mind will not be focused on the OL 100%!!!!!  And we gotta have that!

Sorry, but CNs owes this guy nothing...esp. if Stout was less than forthcoming about the crap at Thug U.

Gotta be like Caesar's wife..beyond reproach.

Lawyers would have a field day if they fired him based on that guys story.

Due diligence.  Dont get me wrong if CNS comes out and fires them I will be happy, but dont expect it.

[carl childers]

Getting back to the topic at hand, have y'all read the Yahoo story yet? I have never seen anything like that, even with SMU. Thing about it, former players are saying, "Yeah, it happened." I cannot see UM getting out of this alive...

[ssmith general]

Getting back to the topic at hand, have y'all read the Yahoo story yet? I have never seen anything like that, even with SMU. Thing about it, former players are saying, "Yeah, it happened." I cannot see UM getting out of this alive...

I love the oceanside pool.

[SUPERCOACH]

We'll see how the NCAA handles this.

[bamalum67]

Hmmmmmmm, yeah, I think I'll have me sum o' them french fried pataters. Hmmmmmmm.

Don't reckon I got no reason to kill nobody.

I'm ye boy..Carl.

I'm as BAMA bred as anyone, and I like to think I have a decent sense of fairness..but..let's consider what this crap will do to a very promising season...can we afford it? 

I will still voice my opinions, but I trust CNS , MM, and our Prez will sort it all out..legally, ethically, AND in the best interests of the BAMA nation.

[bamalum67]

Check out the roster and the coaches bios..seems like Stoutland's and Pannunzio's have been deleted...so what do you make of that?

Fired?  If I were CNS/MM/Prez, and wanted to clean house, now is the time to do it. Can't take a chance, don't want the sh*t from Thug U to cling to us in any way.

To H*ll with Ohio, Oregon, USCw, Miami..and esp the boogers. I hope the NCAA pukes have a field day..looks like they may help the economy..hiring more investigators!

[SUPERCOACH]

Hmmmmmmm, yeah, I think I'll have me sum o' them french fried pataters. Hmmmmmmm.

Don't reckon I got no reason to kill nobody.

I'm ye boy..Carl.

I'm as BAMA bred as anyone, and I like to think I have a decent sense of fairness..but..let's consider what this crap will do to a very promising season...can we afford it? 

I will still voice my opinions, but I trust CNS , MM, and our Prez will sort it all out..legally, ethically, AND in the best interests of the BAMA nation.

I hear what you are saying, and you raise valid concerns.  I'm not too worried about it though.  The violations (if any) occurred at Miami, so really the only thing for Alabama to consider is whether or not they want to fire these guys.  And on that point I trust the people in place within the athletic department to make the correct decision.  If it turns out that they are fired, it will be a disruption to the team, no doubt.

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