10 Dead in shooting at Oregon Community College

[SUPERCOACH]

What a terrible tragedy.
It's going to come to the point that we'll all have to carry just to go to the grocery store. 

Won't do any good.  This was a "gun free zone." 

They had 1 security guard, and he was unarmed.

The solution here may be to have armed officers on campus.  The only reason these nut jobs go to these schools to shoot up the kids is because they know it will be easy pickings and they will be able to take out as many innocent victims as possible when they go down in a blaze of glory.

Officers on campus would definitely solve the problem, but is that what we want?  I would need to think about it some more, but at first glance I don't think I would have a problem with it.

I would really love to hear some opinions from the folks who actually work in schools.

[Chechem]

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Officers on campus would definitely solve the problem, but is that what we want?  I would need to think about it some more, but at first glance I don't think I would have a problem with it.

I would really love to hear some opinions from the folks who actually work in schools.

What do you want to know?  
Do you mean high schools or colleges?
Universities are the same as any workplace; folks go there to work, and never expect anybody to start shooting.  And there are armed police all over campus.
I'm surprised that most universities allow anybody (ANYBODY) to walk freely about campus.  Some real threatening types show up periodically.  I've visited schools in the NE, and those are usually fenced and marked with signs indicating they are closed to the public.  I recall seeing such signs (NO TRESPASSING) for the first time at Brown, and later at William and Mary during the late 1980s.  Most southern campuses allow people to enter, walk among the students, and eat on campus.  Just a matter of time before that ends.

[Marshal Dillon]

What a terrible tragedy.
It's going to come to the point that we'll all have to carry just to go to the grocery store. 

I do that now. Also, at the convenience store, movie theater, drug store, barber shop, etc.



 

[SUPERCOACH]

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Officers on campus would definitely solve the problem, but is that what we want?  I would need to think about it some more, but at first glance I don't think I would have a problem with it.

I would really love to hear some opinions from the folks who actually work in schools.

What do you want to know? 
Do you mean high schools or colleges?
Universities are the same as any workplace; folks go there to work, and never expect anybody to start shooting.  And there are armed police all over campus.
I'm surprised that most universities allow anybody (ANYBODY) to walk freely about campus.  Some real threatening types show up periodically.  I've visited schools in the NE, and those are usually fenced and marked with signs indicating they are closed to the public.  I recall seeing such signs (NO TRESPASSING) for the first time at Brown, and later at William and Mary during the late 1980s.  Most southern campuses allow people to enter, walk among the students, and eat on campus.  Just a matter of time before that ends.

Any school.  What I really would like to hear are some ideas on how we prevent this from happening as much as we can.  And I think people who work at a school (elementary through college) and face this possibility daily might be in a better position to offer up those ideas than people who only think about this when there is a tragedy.

This particular school had 1 security guard that was unarmed.  There were talking heads on TV last night opposed to having armed security officers at schools but I'm not sure why.  I don't see a downside to be honest.  I can see not allowing students and/or teachers to have guns, that seems like a reasonable policy and I could go either way.  But if you have that policy you better have someone else on campus who is in a position to act immediately when something like this happens.

I saw an interview with a past SGA president of the school and he said they had a discussion about whether they should have armed security and the school was split 50/50.  He said in the end they chose not to because it seemed like a peaceful place and they did not want to change the culture of the campus.  Does it really change the culture of the campus if you have a half dozen or so uniformed police officers patrolling throughout the day?

The mere presence of those armed officers may be enough to deter one of these nut job cowards from even going there in the first place.  They go there because it is easy to inflict mass carnage.  If they know they will have a fight on their hands and even be outnumbered as soon as they show up, they probably don't go there to begin with.

[Marshal Dillon]

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Officers on campus would definitely solve the problem, but is that what we want?  I would need to think about it some more, but at first glance I don't think I would have a problem with it.

I would really love to hear some opinions from the folks who actually work in schools.

What do you want to know? 
Do you mean high schools or colleges?
Universities are the same as any workplace; folks go there to work, and never expect anybody to start shooting.  And there are armed police all over campus.
I'm surprised that most universities allow anybody (ANYBODY) to walk freely about campus.  Some real threatening types show up periodically.  I've visited schools in the NE, and those are usually fenced and marked with signs indicating they are closed to the public.  I recall seeing such signs (NO TRESPASSING) for the first time at Brown, and later at William and Mary during the late 1980s.  Most southern campuses allow people to enter, walk among the students, and eat on campus.  Just a matter of time before that ends.

Any school.  What I really would like to hear are some ideas on how we prevent this from happening as much as we can.  And I think people who work at a school (elementary through college) and face this possibility daily might be in a better position to offer up those ideas than people who only think about this when there is a tragedy.

This particular school had 1 security guard that was unarmed.  There were talking heads on TV last night opposed to having armed security officers at schools but I'm not sure why.  I don't see a downside to be honest.  I can see not allowing students and/or teachers to have guns, that seems like a reasonable policy and I could go either way.  But if you have that policy you better have someone else on campus who is in a position to act immediately when something like this happens.

I saw an interview with a past SGA president of the school and he said they had a discussion about whether they should have armed security and the school was split 50/50.  He said in the end they chose not to because it seemed like a peaceful place and they did not want to change the culture of the campus.  Does it really change the culture of the campus if you have a half dozen or so uniformed police officers patrolling throughout the day?

The mere presence of those armed officers may be enough to deter one of these nut job cowards from even going there in the first place.  They go there because it is easy to inflict mass carnage.  If they know they will have a fight on their hands and even be outnumbered as soon as they show up, they probably don't go there to begin with.

I say at least one armed police officer with a marked police car sitting in front of the school (mainly elementary, middle, & high schools), is a good starting point. The Oregon community college had 3,000 students & ONE unarmed security guard. That's an embarrassing joke. How about college students with a military &/or law enforcement background being able to carry concealed on campus? Also, students age 25 & over who attend specialized training at the Sheriff's Department & have had a good background check be able to carry concealed? We have to think outside the box on this. Having a college police department would have been nice, too in Oregon.

[Old Tider]

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Officers on campus would definitely solve the problem, but is that what we want?  I would need to think about it some more, but at first glance I don't think I would have a problem with it.

I would really love to hear some opinions from the folks who actually work in schools.

What do you want to know? 
Do you mean high schools or colleges?
Universities are the same as any workplace; folks go there to work, and never expect anybody to start shooting.  And there are armed police all over campus.
I'm surprised that most universities allow anybody (ANYBODY) to walk freely about campus.  Some real threatening types show up periodically.  I've visited schools in the NE, and those are usually fenced and marked with signs indicating they are closed to the public.  I recall seeing such signs (NO TRESPASSING) for the first time at Brown, and later at William and Mary during the late 1980s.  Most southern campuses allow people to enter, walk among the students, and eat on campus.  Just a matter of time before that ends.

Any school.  What I really would like to hear are some ideas on how we prevent this from happening as much as we can.  And I think people who work at a school (elementary through college) and face this possibility daily might be in a better position to offer up those ideas than people who only think about this when there is a tragedy.

This particular school had 1 security guard that was unarmed.  There were talking heads on TV last night opposed to having armed security officers at schools but I'm not sure why.  I don't see a downside to be honest.  I can see not allowing students and/or teachers to have guns, that seems like a reasonable policy and I could go either way.  But if you have that policy you better have someone else on campus who is in a position to act immediately when something like this happens.

I saw an interview with a past SGA president of the school and he said they had a discussion about whether they should have armed security and the school was split 50/50.  He said in the end they chose not to because it seemed like a peaceful place and they did not want to change the culture of the campus.  Does it really change the culture of the campus if you have a half dozen or so uniformed police officers patrolling throughout the day?

The mere presence of those armed officers may be enough to deter one of these nut job cowards from even going there in the first place.  They go there because it is easy to inflict mass carnage.  If they know they will have a fight on their hands and even be outnumbered as soon as they show up, they probably don't go there to begin with.

I say at least one armed police officer with a marked police car sitting in front of the school (mainly elementary, middle, & high schools), is a good starting point. The Oregon community college had 3,000 students & ONE unarmed security guard. That's an embarrassing joke. How about college students with a military &/or law enforcement background being able to carry concealed on campus? Also, students age 25 & over who attend specialized training at the Sheriff's Department & have had a good background check be able to carry concealed? We have to think outside the box on this. Having a college police department would have been nice, too in Oregon.

I agree with one or more armed officers, but don't believe giving more and more people more and more guns is the answer.  The whole country is virtually an armed camp already. 

[Marshal Dillon]

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Officers on campus would definitely solve the problem, but is that what we want?  I would need to think about it some more, but at first glance I don't think I would have a problem with it.

I would really love to hear some opinions from the folks who actually work in schools.

What do you want to know? 
Do you mean high schools or colleges?
Universities are the same as any workplace; folks go there to work, and never expect anybody to start shooting.  And there are armed police all over campus.
I'm surprised that most universities allow anybody (ANYBODY) to walk freely about campus.  Some real threatening types show up periodically.  I've visited schools in the NE, and those are usually fenced and marked with signs indicating they are closed to the public.  I recall seeing such signs (NO TRESPASSING) for the first time at Brown, and later at William and Mary during the late 1980s.  Most southern campuses allow people to enter, walk among the students, and eat on campus.  Just a matter of time before that ends.

Any school.  What I really would like to hear are some ideas on how we prevent this from happening as much as we can.  And I think people who work at a school (elementary through college) and face this possibility daily might be in a better position to offer up those ideas than people who only think about this when there is a tragedy.

This particular school had 1 security guard that was unarmed.  There were talking heads on TV last night opposed to having armed security officers at schools but I'm not sure why.  I don't see a downside to be honest.  I can see not allowing students and/or teachers to have guns, that seems like a reasonable policy and I could go either way.  But if you have that policy you better have someone else on campus who is in a position to act immediately when something like this happens.

I saw an interview with a past SGA president of the school and he said they had a discussion about whether they should have armed security and the school was split 50/50.  He said in the end they chose not to because it seemed like a peaceful place and they did not want to change the culture of the campus.  Does it really change the culture of the campus if you have a half dozen or so uniformed police officers patrolling throughout the day?

The mere presence of those armed officers may be enough to deter one of these nut job cowards from even going there in the first place.  They go there because it is easy to inflict mass carnage.  If they know they will have a fight on their hands and even be outnumbered as soon as they show up, they probably don't go there to begin with.

I say at least one armed police officer with a marked police car sitting in front of the school (mainly elementary, middle, & high schools), is a good starting point. The Oregon community college had 3,000 students & ONE unarmed security guard. That's an embarrassing joke. How about college students with a military &/or law enforcement background being able to carry concealed on campus? Also, students age 25 & over who attend specialized training at the Sheriff's Department & have had a good background check be able to carry concealed? We have to think outside the box on this. Having a college police department would have been nice, too in Oregon.

I agree with one or more armed officers, but don't believe giving more and more people more and more guns is the answer.  The whole country is virtually an armed camp already. 

It's not about the gun, it's about the person who has the gun. Folks with military/law enforcement backgrounds should know how to handle a weapon & when to use it. Again, not talking about just letting anyone carry concealed on the campus. Someone who wants to do harm is not going to be stopped by laws, gun free zone signs, or other abstract things. One armed person could have made a difference in all these nut job attacks. Imagine walking around the campus of UAB, in the dark, in downtown Birmingham.

[Chechem]

First the UCC campus was a "gun-free zone", but there were armed people there.  Oregon allows students and faculty with concealed-carry permits to have guns on college campuses, and there were guns present.  One of the armed students was interviewed last night (Friday).  He said there was little they could do; weren't in the same building at the time.

You asked for ideas/opinions from those who work on campuses.  My opinion is the police should handle the security.  I do not want faculty armed.  We have faculty who are military veterans, and they agree.  More weapons will mean more chance of accidents, possibility of precipitous actions caused by gun presence, and likelihood that approved people would lack continuous and/or adequate training.  Mississippi already allows concealed-carry permits for guns on college campuses, churches, and schools.  It requires an enhanced permit, which costs $99 and a one-time training session.  A basic carry permit is required for those who would purchase an enhanced permit.  Not much training, eh?

The best way to protect campuses is to ...
1. limit access on campus; only those who should be there be allowed in;
2. support university police with funding commensurate with expectations, keep them trained, and have them present at all campus activities;
3. dismiss students or faculty who pose a threat (laws protect nuts these days, and dismissal of students and faculty is almost impossible until they break a law; difficult even then);
4. change rules for major events, like football games.  It's a miracle that mass-murder events haven't targeted athletic events.  Everyone entering a game should pass through a metal detector, etc.

[SUPERCOACH]

First the UCC campus was a "gun-free zone", but there were armed people there.  Oregon allows students and faculty with concealed-carry permits to have guns on college campuses, and there were guns present.  One of the armed students was interviewed last night (Friday).  He said there was little they could do; weren't in the same building at the time.

You asked for ideas/opinions from those who work on campuses.  My opinion is the police should handle the security.  I do not want faculty armed.  We have faculty who are military veterans, and they agree.  More weapons will mean more chance of accidents, possibility of precipitous actions caused by gun presence, and likelihood that approved people would lack continuous and/or adequate training.  Mississippi already allows concealed-carry permits for guns on college campuses, churches, and schools.  It requires an enhanced permit, which costs $99 and a one-time training session.  A basic carry permit is required for those who would purchase an enhanced permit.  Not much training, eh?

The best way to protect campuses is to ...
1. limit access on campus; only those who should be there be allowed in;
2. support university police with funding commensurate with expectations, keep them trained, and have them present at all campus activities;
3. dismiss students or faculty who pose a threat (laws protect nuts these days, and dismissal of students and faculty is almost impossible until they break a law; difficult even then);
4. change rules for major events, like football games.  It's a miracle that mass-murder events haven't targeted athletic events.  Everyone entering a game should pass through a metal detector, etc.

Now this sounds like a solid plan. 

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