"Oklahoma State women’s bb coach, others killed - plane crash"

[BAMAWV]

If the report mentions something about carb heat, it most likely was not a failure of the carb heat system.  It was probably a failure of the pilot to recognize that he needed carb heat and to turn it on.

No,No. I added that. After I posted it I kinda/sorta remember that icing can happen even when not cold-- ventura affect. Also in clear weather. Maybe he pulled the handle and it came off in his hand.

That is right.  The temperature/dew point differential is key.  If they are pretty close together then moisture can form in the carburator, and the cooling of the air as it passes through the throat of the carb can cause ice to form.  If it builds up it will eventually shut down the engine, obviously.  It is easy enough to fix if it happens at altitude, but you have to keep your wits about you and not panic (hint: grab your engine failure in flight emergency check list, "carb heat on" will be near the top and one of the first things you check).

If you are on short final though, you are probably coming in with no engine.  You better not be low.  The aiming point for where you are supposed to touchdown is 1000 feet down the runway.  If you were aiming for that then you will probably still make it onto the pavement.  A lot of guys don't aim for that though, they want to just barely touchdown on the pavement so they can get the plane stopped quicker and make the first turn off onto the taxi way.  If they ever have an engine problem on short final they aren't going to make it to the pavement.

We had a plane back in our schooldays. But I remember the carb heat cable breaking. It was on the ground though. It just kept coming out (LOL).

[SUPERCOACH]

By the way, I saw an article today on this accident that said they were flying in a Piper PA-28.  This is a small 4 seat single engine plane that I am very familiar with.  It is highly unlikely that they had 4 adults in that plane and managed to stay within the weight and balance limitations.

[BAMAWV]

By the way, I saw an article today on this accident that said they were flying in a Piper PA-28.  This is a small 4 seat single engine plane that I am very familiar with.  It is highly unlikely that they had 4 adults in that plane and managed to stay within the weight and balance limitations.

Cherokee 6? 6 seater?

[SUPERCOACH]

By the way, I saw an article today on this accident that said they were flying in a Piper PA-28.  This is a small 4 seat single engine plane that I am very familiar with.  It is highly unlikely that they had 4 adults in that plane and managed to stay within the weight and balance limitations.

Cherokee 6? 6 seater?

I think the Cherokee 6 is a PA-32, not a PA-28.

PA-28 includes Cherokee, Warrior, Archer, Arrow, Dakota.  They are all 4 seat, with the Dakota having the biggest engine.

[BAMAWV]

By the way, I saw an article today on this accident that said they were flying in a Piper PA-28.  This is a small 4 seat single engine plane that I am very familiar with.  It is highly unlikely that they had 4 adults in that plane and managed to stay within the weight and balance limitations.

Cherokee 6? 6 seater?

I think the Cherokee 6 is a PA-32, not a PA-28.

PA-28 includes Cherokee, Warrior, Archer, Arrow, Dakota.  They are all 4 seat, with the Dakota having the biggest engine.

I didn't get that on my own. My Bama/drilling buddy is on the rig floor and we couldn't hear well enough to talk. That is way cool that you know all that. I did not know you were a pilot or maybe I sent that info to my mental recycle bin out of jealousy. The fact that you are a pilot explains to me a lot about your personality/ persona. RTR

[SUPERCOACH]

I haven't flown in several years.  I don't fly enough any more to justify buying an airplane, and the local rental fleet is horrible.

[SUPERCOACH]

ESPN just reported that the pilot was 82 years old.  They also said that witnesses saw the plane spiral into the ground.

This is just speculation on my part, but being outside the weight and balance envelope can cause you to lose control and spiral into the ground.  The airplane is more likely to enter an unrecoverable spin if you have too much weight in the back seats.  I would not be the least bit surprised if this turns out to be the cause of the accident.

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